A non-excerpt from Baby Name Wizard 2

Jul 17th 2009

As the revised and expanded Baby Name Wizard slowly trickles in to bookstores, I thought I'd share one name spotlight that was cut from the manuscript at the last minute:


Gax (GAKS)
Popularity: Rare
Style: Fanciful and Fantastical
Nicknames: FatMan
Sisters: Moo, Spamela, Beer, Soup, John
Brothers: Flax, Vilx, Clax, Eleanor, Xax
Gax is a name you should not give to your child at all.
It's only in the book because my kids are beside me as
I'm writing and they absolutely insisted.  Keep this in mind,
prospective parents, if you're planning to work from home.



July 20, 2009 11:23 AM

I was just as shocked as you guys...I'm from the Midwest and was expecting lots of Jacobs, Emmas, Sophias, Aidens, etc. I did see those names, but it seemed that the norm was to name your child either something I had never heard of, or to spell it in a completely different way. Also, most of these babies were Caucasian. (I looked at their pictures.) Not sure that makes any difference, but I was just curious about their ethnicity.

By Amy3
July 20, 2009 11:24 AM

Great name lists this morning!

Thanks for the girls' list, zoerhenne. I can't wait for your year-end compilation.

RobynT, I was particularly struck by ZHYRALLANE. Would you pronounce it zeer-elaine? Girl or boy?

susie, 2 Addalyns? More of the off-with-their-heads phenomenon. In addition to Palyn, there's also a Brystal and Piper. And some of those others ... wow.

July 20, 2009 12:03 PM

I am not surprised to see Palyn appear. The name Palin just sounds like a trendy name today--fits right in with Peyton and Kaylin. And for someone who admires Sarah Palin, it seems like a natural. Using the spelling Palyn gets the name away from a potentially controversial tribute name as the parents could say, "We do like Sarah Palin, but mostly we just liked the way the name sounds."

Remington Wesson? I've noticed an uptick in "gun names" lately, and several posters here were quick to point out the connection to the name Gage (and Gauge) in Laura's recent post. I checked the Social Security site for statistics on the following names:
--Remington, at a current high of 721, debuted in 1983, one year after the launching of the wonderful "Remington Steele" TV show
--Smith, has not been in the top 1000 since 1939
--Wesson, does not appear
--Gauge, debuted in 2005, currently ranked at 736

I am clueless about other gun models that might be used as names. (Glock? H&K?) Anyone else care to try?

July 20, 2009 12:06 PM

susie-Given my lookings around there aren't too many of them that surprise me. I think the trend for the recession is "we can't get crazy with our money, so let's get crazy with our child's name". Or maybe it's just young couples who don't know any better and are too poor to buy a baby name book?

Betsy-re Benjamin=There was only one out of the 539 boy names I recorded. It was spelled Benjiman. Maybe they were going for nn Benji?

July 20, 2009 12:23 PM

Elizabeth T-I don't know much about "gun" names but did think of another funny name last night.
Linnoliam-nn Linn or Liam

And ryan is the newest boy name to get taken over. I've now seen Ryen and Ryenn.

By Betsy (not verified)
July 20, 2009 12:28 PM

Weird! I've heard so many Benjamins recently. ...and somehow I bet the Benjiman was less Benji nn-ing and more not knowing the traditional spelling, sadly.

By pyewacket (not verified)
July 20, 2009 1:03 PM

I definitely find the "Jameson" and other "son" names in which the first part of the name is clearly a boy's name very odd. I don't think that's etymological snobbery, mostly because it's right there in English - James' son. In the case of something like Carson, "Car" is not a common boys' name, so it doesn't resonate in the same way. And, although I know that Mc/Mac means son-of, it doesn't mean son-of in English, so it doesn't stand out in the same way, either.

Interestingly, I really don't care about the "meaning" behind a name at all. The most basic of English names, Mary, is said to mean "sea of bitterness," which isn't exactly appealing. But who cares - no one thinks about the derivation when they hear the name. However, I would consider Elizabeth Isabella to be odd, or John Sean or Giuseppe Joseph or Caterina Kathleen. Call it snobbery if you like, but such a name displays a certain ignorance of the international environment - those variations are not the "derivation" of the name, they ARE the name, in another language. I've met people who call me Katerina, because my name is Kathleen, and it would sound crazy for me to say, "No, that's my middle name."

July 20, 2009 2:36 PM

pyewacket-You remind me of something my dh told me that I had forgotten to post. One day he was out at the craft store with my dd. A little boy (of about 5ish) came up to them and said to my dd "What's your name"? she told him and then he asked "What's it mean?". Luckily my dh knew and told the boy who said thanks and moved on. I thought that was the cutest thing ever-apparently he was an NE in the making.

July 20, 2009 3:01 PM

re: Zhyr@llane: Can't tell if it's a boy or girl name. The full name is Zhyr@llane M@nzano Lim0n.

By Confused Mama (not verified)
July 20, 2009 3:05 PM

Is it OK to interject a naming question here? I've been an avid reader of this blog and love reading all of your comments! Well, our baby girl is about 2 weeks old and I'm having possible namer's remorse! We named her Josephine but now after reading more on the name, it seems many people view it as mascueline or just not pretty in general. Esp. if she ends up w/the nn Jo, which to me is a boy's name. I want our little girl to have a beautiful, femenine name. I know others' opinions shouldn't matter but really, to me it does matter if people - esp. our daughter - will not like her name and esp. we don't want her being teased over it. I *thought* Josephine/Josie would fit in well among today's more popular names but maybe not. Thing is, now we've used Josie for a couple weeks, I'm not sure she "looks" like an Ayla or Elisabeth (nn Ellie), the other names we'd have in mind to change it to. I just cannot decide what to do! Thought it was just postpartum hormones giving me second thoughts on the name, but if I'm still worried about it at this point, it may be more than that and if we're going to make a change it has to be soon. Also thought about changing to Jocelyn so the nn Josie could stay, but I do like Ayla better than Jocelyn. I could also see her as a Bella but not wanting to use Isabella now. I can just "see" it more than w/Ella - something about the hard constanant sound I think, if that makes sense? Well anyway.. would love any thoughts. Thanks for reading.

By hyz
July 20, 2009 3:18 PM

Confused Mama--I think lots of people go through a period of doubt or whatever after naming their child--obviously everyone wants the very best for their kid, and for those of us to whom naming is important, naming your child can just feel like this *enormous* decision, and that makes it really easy to second guess whether you picked the "right" name. And coming at it from the other direction, I think Josephine (with or without the nn Josie) is an absolutely gorgeous name--beautiful, strong, and feminine. Josie will surely fit in well with other kids around her, too (I actually know one darling young Josephine nn Josie, and I feel like I've heard of lots more--it certainly isn't a strange choice!). Personally, I like it *far* more than Ayla or Bella--I think it sounds much more classic, and is more flexible and interesting (she can be Josephine on resumes, Josie in general, and can pick from a number of nns later to find something that fits the person she wants to be). I like Elisabeth and Jocelyn a lot too, but I really think the name your daughter has now is wonderful, and I wouldn't change it unless you really feel for some reason that it's not right for her. But don't let some rude people's opinions get you down--Josephine is a lovely name!

July 20, 2009 3:29 PM

Confused Mama: I think you first instinct was right: Josephine/Josie will fit right in with all the Ellies and Sadies of today. I think any person fully aware of the huge responsibility of naming another person will feel a some of that namer's remorse--how could you not second-guess yourself?--but I think you can be confident that you didn't do you daughter a disservice. Josephine is a wonderful, strong, lovely name.

And, for me at least, Jo isn't a boy's name. Jo will ALWAYS be smart, imaginative, adventurous "Little Woman" Jo March. It's hard to get more feminine that that--even when she cuts off her hair.

July 20, 2009 3:49 PM

Confused Mama--count me in as another fan of Josephine! I too think of Jo March from Little Women, and I know a few Josies and think it's a really cute option too.

Re: Sincere Sin City, I know of a little girl (daughter of a friend of a sister) named Cay3nne Chili Pepper. Yup. Cayenn3 itself doesn't seem so bad, you might miss the pepper reference if it weren't for the middle name, but in combination it's kind of astounding.

Pyewacket--I'd also add very similar sibling names to the list of variations that aren't derivations...I know a guy named James who has a sister named Jamie, which is just as bad as a Caterina Kathleen in my book!

By Amy3
July 20, 2009 4:04 PM

Confused Mama, another Josephine fan here! I have a friend whose 9-yr-old daughter is a Josephine, nn Josie (and is just now starting to be called Jo, I think). I find Josephine to be the absolute opposite of a "masculine" name. It's a beautiful and strong name for a girl that will age wonderfully with her. She has a range of nns she can opt to use, or she can stick with Josephine. And it *will* fit in perfectly with many of the currently popular names.

Re: namers' remorse, I think it's easy, esp after you've had the baby and the name becomes so much more prevalent--you're using it with the baby, you're sharing the name--to begin to think you may have made a mistake. And I agree, NEs may be particularly prone to this. I found myself paralyzed very early on by a seemingly ridiculous alliteration among my daughter's three names that I now think is part of what makes her name beautiful.

July 20, 2009 4:04 PM

Josephine is a great name! I know one Josephine Anna, who goes by Joanna. You could perhaps create a nickname by blending her first name with her middle, but I'm partial to Josie. I've always loved that name.

July 20, 2009 4:22 PM

A naming story I just had to share!


It's about a woman named Kelly Hildebrandt who is engaged to a man named Kelly Hildebrandt. They through Facebook because the female Kelly googled her name and found the male Kelly.

By knp (not verified)
July 20, 2009 4:23 PM

I think you should stay with Josephine. it is a classic, pretty name. Maybe you just haven't found the right nickname? I like the idea of combining with her middle name.
Some brainstorming for maybe another, more feminine nn:
(I like Josie and Jo a lot too)

By pyewacket (not verified)
July 20, 2009 4:27 PM

Josie is charming, and Josephine is an elegant name with an fine history. I mean, how can you go wrong picking the name of an Empress? Stick with your guns - anyone who dislikes the name clearly lacks taste.

By Eo (not verified)
July 20, 2009 4:32 PM

Enjoyed your list, Amy3! Golly, not surprised (unfortunately) at the number of "Ben"s, and doubly glad our Benjamin has a completely different nickname!

Also not surprised in your list at the abundant Jacobs and Joshuas which, after decades of heavy use, are still strongly represented here even on young, elementary school children...And the Justins-- wow.

Am a bit surprised that there are no Amelias there yet, but seven Emilys-- I still cling to my theory that Amelia is the "new" Emily, ha. Amelia seems to be zooming in popularity here...

Here in Banks' upstate New York school there are lots of overlaps with names in your school, but fewer exotics.

By Eo (not verified)
July 20, 2009 4:38 PM

Oh, just saw Josephine question. Wonderful name, wonderful nickname in "Josie". Also "Joss".

I confess to loving "Jo", which has a long tradition as a girl's nickname, with of course Jo March from "Little Women" being a prime example.

As long as "Jo" doesn't have the masculinizing "e" on the end, it's feminine and spirited!

By hyz
July 20, 2009 4:40 PM

Elizabeth T., awesome story! That's wild. I have something similar (but not nearly as cool) in my family--my paternal great grandparents had two different spellings of the same German last name--along the lines of a Smith marrying a Smythe. I always thought that was fun.

July 20, 2009 4:43 PM

Confused Mama: I think Josephine/Josie totally fits in with current trends! One of my friends was considering it. I think it fits well with the old-fashioned names that are currently popular and Josie is very cute and appealing to those who are less into the old-fashioned.

By NinaS. (not verified)
July 20, 2009 5:03 PM

Blythe did you get your copy of BNW2 in canada or the States???

By Amy3
July 20, 2009 5:22 PM

Eo, iirc there was one Amelia. I thought I'd included it in the initial list of one-offs, but maybe I didn't. I'd imagine that name will be more well-represented in years to come since I think it's getting lots of traction now. I like your assessment that it's the new Emily! (And I thought of you and Banks when I was tallying the Bens.)

By Jenny also (not verified)
July 20, 2009 5:36 PM

Confused Mama,

Congratulations on the birth of your little girl!

Josephine is a great name and I think Josie sounds modern without being trendy. I know how you feel, sometimes I feel so incredibly in love with my three year old son and growing embryo (and so want all things wonderful for them) that NO names seem perfect enough.

Two weeks out is a magical and highly emotional time. I say trust your instincts and stick with Josephine, it will be good practice for all the decisions and doubting to come!

July 20, 2009 5:52 PM

Confused Mama: I think that sometimes it's hard to imagine such a little tiny person (like your newborn) fitting a name so elegant and grown-up sounding as Josephine. But it's a really beautiful name and Josie is fantastic on a little girl. I could picture Josie as a little ballerina or climbing trees and digging in the dirt. Actually Josephine is one of my favorite names!

I can relate to the remorse you're feeling though. I had some with both of my kids in those first few weeks. I'm sure that if you just give it a little more time you'll find that you can't think of calling her anything else; that she just *is* Josie/Josephine.

And pay no mind to rude people who comment negatively on the name you chose. Everyone had different taste and for all you know they might name their child something like Sincere Sin City. Josephine is not clunky or ugly or masculine to me at all. In fact, I find it very sleek and feminine. Even my five year old likes it (I have no one else to talk to during the day who can talk back to me so I discuss names with my 5 year old. It's a little sick...)

If your daughter doesn't like it for some reason she can always go by one of the nicknames (did anyone mention Posy/Posie/Posey? I think that's cute and fits with all of the flower-names that are so popular right now) or even go by her middle name. You'll never be able to chose a name that *everyone* likes so just go with the one that you like. Josephine will fit in fine with Matilda, Eleanor, Amelia, Isabella, and all of the other old fashioned names that are so popular (some more so than others) right now.

My advice is to stick with it, ignore rude people and give it time. If you find that you really don't like it in a few more weeks then perhaps you could either call her by her middle name or even add an additional middle name and call her that. That seems less of a hassle then changing her first name and having to explain to everyone that she's now got a different name. You could just say, "Oh, we've been calling her by her middle name, Bella." Actually Josephine Bella is not a bad sounding name.

By Tess not signed in (not verified)
July 20, 2009 6:00 PM

Confused Mama-Josephine is a perfect name...rest easy,take a deep breath! My next-door- neighbor's daughter is Josie(Josephine) and I adore it...... It is(as EVERYONE has said) classic, yet contemporary--without being top-ten, trendy.Enjoy her-you have served her well.

By Valentine (not verified)
July 20, 2009 6:08 PM

Count me in as a huge fan of Josephine!

By jenmn (not verified)
July 20, 2009 6:10 PM

I just absolutely love the name Josephine but just can't talk my husband into using it. Currently he is on the fence about it as a middle name, but I'm not sure it goes with our current top pick for a first name.

I know it has been awhile since I posted about our names. We have a daughter named El!se G3nevieve (pronounced the French way) and are due with our second daughter in a couple months. All of our kids will have my last name as a second middle name (starts with an 'M' and is two syllables) and their last name sounds like "Pikkins".

Our current choice for a first name is Vivienne. I really like the middle name Adele, but that would make her initials VAMP, which I am not about to do. My husband really likes Claire but to me, it just seems a bit abrupt.

The other names we really liked for a potential first name (possibly considering for a middle name):
Josephine (DH is at best lukewarm with this)
Jayne (DH again lukewarm with this)
Louise (DH really doesn't like)
Louisa (DH really doesn't like)

Feedback and other ideas for a middle name? Feedback on the name Vivienne?

Thanks for the help!

By Tess not signed in (not verified)
July 20, 2009 6:41 PM

Laura- Just noticed Eleanor listed as a brother to Gax.What funny girls- a reverse crossover in the classic vein.. My head spins!Buy them an ice cream!

By knp (not verified)
July 20, 2009 6:45 PM

OK, quick question on Vivienne is it viv-ee-enn (like Vivian) or viv-ee-en-ah (french pr?)?? (this would change my mn suggestions.

But, I will assume the former option, then I think:
Adele is quite perfect!(I wouldn't worry about VAMP) and Claire (don't think too short) are actually my faves of the names you listed. I can't really put the others together quite right...

By Amy3
July 20, 2009 6:48 PM

jenmn, from your list, I'd suggest Adele or Cora as the fn and Vivienne as the middle. Both your girls then have sweet, short fns and longer, flowery mns. I like the symmetry of that. Plus, it neatly does away with the VAMP problem!

By ET (not logged in) (not verified)
July 20, 2009 6:49 PM

I also love the name Josephine. It sounds so now, without being too obvious. I mean it doesn't sound out of fashion amoungst Isabella's and Anabelles, but it isn't redicuously common.

On the topic of -son name for girls. It doesn't bother me because whilst they are nobodys son, the majority of boy Jackson's probably aren't the son of Jack's either. Plus I have a surname which ends in -son, and as a girl with a father named Peter, not Tom, that makes no sense either. Therefore whilst alot of -son names do sounds more like boys names to me (Jackson, Mason, Carson) I wouldn't think it was unacceptable for them to be given to girls. Plus as already pointed out (by pyewacket) how many men do you meet called Emmer, that all these girls can't possibly be the son of?
And finally the Welsh variations of patriarchal surnames often just have an -s on the end (Roberts, Williams ect) that or the are smudges of "ap" followed by a name (Ap Rhys= Price, Ap Huw= Pugh) and whilst they sound like neither boys or girls names to me, if they were bestowed on girls it would not be as controversial, and Im sure the same is true for most languages.

July 20, 2009 7:21 PM

confused mama - another Josephine fan here. So many nn options too, as others have pointed out. I'm a huge fan of Joss and Josie. I like Jocelyn too but don't go to it just to make Josie a nickname. Josie works equally well for both names. I do like Elisabeth and there are heaps of nicknames for it, but if you can't imagine her as an Elizabeth then don't go there. I confess to not being a big fan of Ayla or Bella. You can still call her Bella as a nickname even when sticking with Josephine as the first name. I have known of little ones called Bella as a term of endearment even when it's not related to their actual name.

Jenm - love your name style!
I do really like Vivienne, and would probably go Vivienne Claire to get away from VAMP. Vivienne Cora is also very nice. Of your other names I like
Violet Claire
Violet Cora
Juliet Emmeline
Juliet Josephine
Juliet Cora
Juliet Vivienne
Maeve Juliet
Maeve Josephine
Linnea Claire
Linnea Josephine
Linnea Adele (this gives LAMP but not too bad)
Linnea Violet
Linnea Vivienne
Cora Vivienne
Cora Emmeline
Cora Josephine

I didn't suggest the names your DH really doesn't like. It's hard to imagine exactly what it would be like with your last name, but I hope some of these fit.

By Qwen
July 20, 2009 7:37 PM

@Amy3 – I love Azure. Do you know if the child in question was a boy or a girl? Husband and I actually had a whole sublist of color baby names at one point. Cyan stayed on the list for quite awhile but in the end couldn’t hack our last name. I was surprised to see two Crystals (I thought our name had died out in 84…) and two Cocos.

@RobynT – I like Linden and it works really well with James. Good pick.

Re: Jameson and Jackson. I know a lot of people here are annoyed by the ‘son suffix’ trend for girls but I kinda like it. I think of it as another way to show that people aren’t just their gender – which is an excellent message for our youth. Also our grandparents were appalled at the idea of females named Aubrey/Ashley/Sandy, etc so it’s just another transformation of that. I think it’s unfair to assume because someone’s tastes conflict with your own that they are ignorant, poor or can’t spell.

@zoerhenne – I had never heard the name Jahmear and yet you have it on your list four times. I live in a pretty small town so I could blame it on that or it could be that PA and OR are almost a continent apart…

@susie – Your list is interesting too. Brosh, Brystal, Palyn and Sincere were all new names to me. I’m wondering if Sincere Sin City’s parents are comic book fans or really like Vegas?!

@Elizabeth T – Thanks for looking up the gun name stats. I actually know a little girl named Remington Rain. I know her Dad fought hard for the name.

@Confused Mama – Congratulations on your bundle of joy! I’m sorry you’re having naming remorse. I don’t know if it helps at all but out of all the names you mentioned I still love Josephine the most. I think of Josephine as a feminine name with a certain amount of spirit and sass behind it (though I don’t how much of that is because I desperately wanted to be friends with Jo March from the Louisa May Alcott books). If you’re worried about people calling her Jo just make it clear that her name is Josephine or Josie (I also liked the suggestion of Joss). It can be hard with people who want to nn but with some clear direction from you, I’m sure they’ll adjust.

@jenm – I love Vivienne and it echoes the pretty French sounds in your dd’s name. I don’t suppose you’re willing to try a different middle name to get rid of the seductress middle initials? My second choice from your list is Josephine, then Juliet. Good luck naming and with the last leg of your pregnancy!

By Qwen
July 20, 2009 7:42 PM

Oops I got so caught up trying to catch up on reading and responding to other people's posts that I totally forgot to tell you why I was here. This weekend was my 10th year class reunion and at the family picnic I was introduced to a 5 month old little girl named Madden.

July 20, 2009 8:32 PM

confused Mama-I would also stick with josephine for many of the reasons already mentioned. It's one of those old-fashioned classics that is coming back. There is a 4yr old in my neighborhood with this name nn Josie. She will fine with whatever you decide for her name-as said before the name and the child grow into each other.

Eo-Amelia being the next Emily?? there were no Amelia's in my local list but 1 Emelia.

Elizabeth T-Great story!

Qwen-I think BOTH! What is your ethnic makeup in your town? This most likely is an African/American name or maybe Indian I forgot what the children looked like but we have a little bit of everything here.

jenmn-My first thought was
Vivienne (Viv-ee-en) Juliette
I also like Chimu's suggestion of Linnea Adele too-barring the LAMP initials its beautiful.
Other ideas:
Violet Ophelia
Juliette Theresa
Serena Coralie
I like the subtle repeated sounds.
El-EES Gen-a-VEE-vay
Vi-O-let O-feel-ya
Joo-LEE-ET Tear-AY-sa/Ter-EE-sa
Sair-EE-na Cora-LEE or Sir-EE-na Cor-uh-LEE

July 20, 2009 9:17 PM

I am all about Josephine. I shall have to live vicariously through you, dh nixed it.

Elizabeth T - great story. My mil and fil had the exact same last name.

By PunkPrincessPhd (NLI) (not verified)
July 20, 2009 9:31 PM


Fantastic list - thanks for posting.

One that caught my eye in particular:
Seamus Padraic Pearse (ahem, Padraic/Patrick Pearse being the figurehead of the 1916 Easter Rising in Ireland and on e of the signatories of the Easter Proclamation). In Northern Ireland, this one trumps most others in the political game- it would make my consideration of Saoirse a moot point!

FWIW, my captchas are very NE-appropriate: Natasha and Hass (avocado, anyone?)

By Amy3
July 20, 2009 9:47 PM

Qwen, I believe Azure is a girl.

By jenmn (not verified)
July 20, 2009 10:28 PM

Thanks for the suggestions and feedback! To clarify pronunciations:

Vivienne, We pronounce VIH-vee-en as opposed to Vivian (VIV-ee-un), but this is a very subtle and almost unnoticeable difference.

Genevieve, We pronounce JAHN-vee-ev as opposed to the Americanized JEN-eh-VEEV.

Amy3 - Wow, I think you hit the nail on the head! I think that Vivienne would be a great middle name and match Genevieve perfectly. But then I would be back to really not knowing what to do with the first name, Ahh! :)

Qwen - Were you suggesting middle names or first names, sorry I'm a bit tired today and didn't follow. I definitely will not be giving my daughter the initials VAMP, just sad because I love the names! :)

July 20, 2009 11:45 PM

Pyewacket, I wasn't saying that it's etymological snobbery to note/observe that names like Jameson mean son of James, or to comment that it's not your personal style or taste to give such a name to a girl, it just seems like snobbery to me when people are aghast and appalled at parents who do use names like this, and even more so when those parents are decreed somehow deficient as a result.

I find it interesting that you don't consider it ignorance to name a child without knowing/caring about the name's meaning, or to not know that Mc or Mac mean "son of", but you do think that it's ignorant not to know that Elizabeth and Isabella "are the same name". That's a highly subjective interpretation of ignorance! I didn't know those things until recently, and I have 2 university degrees (a law degree, and an arts degree majoring in English), read widely and have lived in several different countries. I can therefore only guess that I can't be the only one not to consider them part of a good general knowledge.

I think ET makes a good point, that we no longer use names like Jameson literally anyway - at least, most of us outside of the UK don't, LOL! I bet any boys in the US named Jameson, Jackson, Harrison etc, whose father is named James, Jack, Harry etc, are in the minority. If we are really going to be strict about meanings, then the use of the name Jackson on a boy whose father is not named Jack, should be frowned on too! My point is, name usage evolves, and to say that parents are ignorant for not using names how they were originally intended, seems rude - and also comical - to me. As Qwen said - rightly, I think - "I think it’s unfair to assume because someone’s tastes conflict with your own that they are ignorant, poor or can’t spell."

Confused Mama - Congratulations on your baby girl!! I love her name and am so surprised to hear that people view Josephine as a "masculine or just not pretty in general" name. I think it is a beautiful, feminine name. Please stick with it - I like all of your other choices but still think that Josephine is the best of the lot. Lovely, lovely name. Anyway, no name you can choose would be loved by everybody. Your baby will win them over, I'm sure :)

July 20, 2009 11:39 PM

jenmn: i really like Violet Adele, but darnit that doesn't evade the VAMP problem. Cora Adele would be my second choice. With some of you listed names as middles, I like:
Vivienne Violet
Vivienne Juliet
Vivienne Maeve
Vivienne Cora
(Vivienne Linnea and Vivenne Serena seem a bit long to me.)

By Jody (not verified)
July 21, 2009 1:05 AM

So I'm a few months off having my baby boy now and think I may have settled on a name Elliott Jam3s (yes I whack the 3 in there so it doesn't come up in search in years times and he reads about it LOL)

I wonder though about the spelling. Elliot with one t? Or two ts? Leaning towards two of them but in writing it looks better with one. Was thinking of possible nn EJ

July 21, 2009 10:39 AM

i lean toward elliott with two ts. that is mostly because a) to me it is the "traditional" spelling (i put that in quotes because i'm sure someone will come up with something to prove me wrong!) and b) to me it is the spelling that best justifies the pronunciation. elliot with one t looks french to me and i want to pronounce it el-ee-oh.

By jenmn (not verified)
July 21, 2009 10:50 AM

I actually really like Vivienne Violet. Do you think it is too over the top?

My husband likes it too but is afraid that it sounds like we are trying to be too cutesy about it. He is still pulling for Vivienne Claire, which I like, but am just not in love with. Claire was our second choice for a first name for my older daughter and I think I am sort of over it now.

I think Juliet/Juliette is my second choice for first names. I'm not sure about the Romeo connection though. Also not sure what spelling I prefer.

My husband's second choice for first names is Linnea. Although this is the name that my parents really didn't like when I was talking to my Mom about names way back in the first trimester. Since then, I've not mentioned any of the others to them. Not that they get a choice, but it would just be hard to choose a name that I knew they thought was terrible!

Is it just me or is naming your second kid much harder, especially if it is the same sex as the first!

By Amy3
July 21, 2009 10:52 AM

Jody, if my daughter had been a son the name we had chosen was Elliot. Obviously I prefer one T. :)

July 21, 2009 11:36 AM

@confused Mama--I'm another in support of Josephine, and like the others it reminds me of Jo from "Little Women". The name itself is both spirited and feminine. If you absolutely had to change her name now, I'd go with Jocelyn, because it would allow you to keep the same nickname.

and while DH and I don't have any kids yet, based on what I've seen with family and friends, a lot of the namers regret seems to be because now it is permanent...the baby is here and the name that you could have changed before is now used on an actual person, instead of in your head. And (especially if it is your first) there are so many things you worry about getting perfect for the baby, making sure it is the right name just seems to be unconsciously added to the list

@jenmn--here's the names I think sound best out of the list you posted

Vivienne Violet (there’s a lot of v’s in this, but it flows to me)
Adele Cora
Adele Vivienne
Linnea Claire (I think that with some of the more flowery first names, Claire is a nice contrast for a middle name)
Serena Claire
Lousia Claire
Vivienne Claire (I think that this is doable, and goes with your first daughter’s name without being too matchy, but it's not my favorite)

July 21, 2009 11:55 AM

jenmn- I also like Vivienne Violet, it has the kind of alliteration I find pleasing rather than silly. I like the flow of Linnea Claire too, but definitely like Vivienne Violet as a first choice!

Confused Mama- Love Josephine, (I love Little Women too) and if you listen to everyone's comments on a name there's just no pleasing them. There'd be people unhappy if you changed it at all and people unhappy with the new name so I wouldn't worry about that too much. It's also nice that there are so many nn choices. I like Josie, have known a Joss, love Posy on a kid and if she does turn out to be a tomboy she can always choose to be Jo!

Qwen- I know an Azure (girl) as well, full name is Azur3 Sophi3 I believe, sister to Ir1s Sp@rrow! Also, I don't know how I feel about Madden, especially on a girl, sounds too much like the word maddening...

By Qwen
July 21, 2009 1:51 PM

@zoerhenne – The wikipedia stats are old but according to the article my town is 85% white, 5% Native American and 5% Hispanic. Nothing else hit the 2% mark. I bet our African American population is higher than it was in 2000 but probably still pretty small percentage wise. So you’re right it’s probably a combination of demographics and distance!

@jemn – I was weighing in on which of your first name choices I liked but my suggestion was to keep Vivienne and ditch your middle name choice! Sorry it was unclear. I do like Vivienne Violet.

@Jenny L3igh – “sounds too much like the word maddening…” Funny. I do that all the time too, I know the name doesn’t MEAN something bad and isn’t even really that close to another word but I can’t help that the sounds jangle together in my head creating a false impression. Like with Magaley – I don’t think I made any friends on here by drawing the maggotly connection but I couldn’t help it. That’s the noise it made for me.