The Baby Name Wizard

Hey there! Thanks for all the suggestions for a tribute to Karen. It's not that I don't LIKE the name Karen. Has nothing to do with that. Mostly it's that Karen is still alive and will be for a long time...and I do feel it also honors the person when the first letter (or few) are the same. Maybe that's a Jewish thing? I really like Karena, that would be a nice middle name.

I know so many people who want to honor the baby's grandmother but don't want to name their kid Carol, Judy or Shirley.

We also have 2nd on the way and are having issues. It seems harder this time around. The names we were into a few years ago don't sound new and fresh! I keep hearing the same suggestions. I feel like I need whole new lists! Anybody else feel like this?

goldenpig, out of your names here are two that stood out as being sorta newish:

Noelani Jane
Mira Juniper

I agree re needing new lists! After you've liked a name for years, it doesn't sound fresh anymore. I used to love Scarlett, Sophia, Ella and Lily - now they just sound boring to me, and I'm sure this is not helped by the soaring popularity they have all had since I first started loving them years ago. (Apart from Scarlett - not as popular in the US as it is in the UK and NZ). The names on my "love" list now - names like Theodora, Delilah, Pearl, Violet, Ottoline, Sylvie, Aurelia, Elodie, Clementine, Sabine and Noelle - were definitely not on my list 5 years ago!! It took me a long time to find replacements though, and even longer to love them as much as my first list. You'll get there!
P.S. Juniper is divine - pity I can't use it with the surname Leaf!

Leafy--I completely agree about names not sounding "fresh" any more. A few years ago I liked Addison and Peyton and Ella, but there is no way I would use them now, because I know so many little girls with those names.

I loved Ella as a kid, because she was the oldest sister in the All-of-a-Kind-Family. (That family contained 5 sisters in a turn-of-the-century family in New York. Their names were Ella, Henny (Henrietta), Sarah, Charlotte, and Gertie (Gertrude).) Funny how those names would fit in nowadays so well, but when I was reading these books back in the mid 80s they seemed so beautiful and unusual!

Anyway, my love for Ella turned into a love for Eleanor later, and I think I will probably still use it, but now I'm leaning more toward using Nora as a nickname instead of Ella, just to make it feel more 'fresh'.

anne with an e,
i love eleanor/nora too. :]

I really desire to have the new edition of BNW. I have encountered the same problems with Amazon.com. New cover is shown but not sure if new edition book is for sale there yet. There are no bookstores available in the boondocks where I live. So if anyone finds how to purchase a new edition please let us all know.
The question of "naming after", "honoring" or a "tribute" names have come up here again and I have to say finally; after holding it in for a long time; that I personally hate the tradition in any shape or form. That being said, I realize it is a very personal matter. Many members of my family have chosen to "honor" someone or other with either a whole name, a scrabbled name, or a Jr. I myself find it rather insulting to foist an already established identity onto a whole new person. Why not let the child just be who they are instead of projecting whatever is supposed to be the "honor" of some old used name? Geez... It was good to get that out there.

tonya,
i think i can see what you are saying, particularly with the tradition of giving grandfathers, fathers, sons, etc the same name throughout generations. i do not personally feel how you do, but i can see how it might feel hard to forge your own identity when your own name doesn't feel like "your own." this is partially why i would only ever use namesakes as middle names. if there is someone particularly meaningful to me and i want to use their name as my child's middle name, i do not think that would be forcing an identity upon them. they would still have their first name that is all theirs. i think the problem becomes even less of an issue when the person whose name is being used is not living. in that case, there is not a living person whom a child may (or may not) feel obligatd to emulate. i think the "honor" you mention is more for the person whose name has been chosen, not the child. however, i think in most cases (depending on various factors) it would not be detrimental to the child to be a namesake. however, i can see that perhaps there are times where it could be. are there any namesakes out there that would care to comment? how did you feel about being a namesake?

My husband and I both have middles that are family names while our first names are unique to us. I liked the connection my mn gave to my family (in my case, my gr-grandmother; my husband's mn is one that's been used by generations as a first and middle). But I also liked having a first name that was all mine. That's why we chose to use the mn spot with our daughter's name to honor family. She has that family connection, but her fn is all hers.

Names from a 4th of July party (sibs are grouped):

*Philip (15), Lily (12), Anya (10)--this family seems ahead of the style curve, at least for their girls.
*Liam (9)
*Parker (11?), Will (8?), Ch4rleston (6--a girl nn Charlie)
*Harrison (15?)

"are there any namesakes out there that would care to comment? how did you feel about being a namesake?"

I was named after my grandmother, and I always really liked having that connection. I have never felt I have to be like her or anything like that (in fact, we are very different) - I just knew that I was named after her because my parents loved her. Grandma and I have always had a special bond as a result, too - I know that she LOVES that someone was named after her, and as a result probably favours me quite a bit, if the truth be told ;)

I don't love my name (well, as a Jane it is hard not to secretly wish I was called something a bit more interesting, LOL!) but it is nice to feel that it has some history and special significance - not only to my parents, but also to my grandparents and family as a whole.

emilyrae-- I'm one of those who has really liked being a namesake:

My parents were friends with a wonderful, older, slightly eccentric Englishwoman named Nellie (short for "Helen", of course) Fowler. One of her close relatives ALMOST sailed on the Titanic, but providentially missed it. She lived diagonally across from us in a charming vintage house crammed with antiques and bibelots...

I was named for her, but given one of the many, very old English variants of "Helen". I wasn't called Nellie as a child-- early on I shortened my own name to "Elly" and that stuck as a nickname.

Of course, that was way before the current "El-" craze (I'm a rapidly aging Boomer, so my contemps. were Deborah, Cindy, Diane, etc.!!)

Interestingly, hubster now calls me almost exclusively "Nell", so I've come full circle back to Mrs. Fowler. It's super being named for someone as nice and magical as she. I played for hours with her antique spinning wheel and her dog "Dukie", while the grown-ups sipped tea from her flowered cups in the wainscoted dining room...

Nothing but fond memories! Some namesakes might NOT admire the person they were named for, of course. It helps that I adored my parents and their taste in friends...

Tonya,

I think for me that's part of the appeal of naming using letters/syllables rather than full names - that the kid then has their very own name, even if it's related to someone else's. I have never understood the appeal of Jrs, for exactly that reason. However, given the number of Jrs who are eager to make their own children into 3rds, many people obviously feel differently.

goldenpig - I think Jonah Kilohana would make a great name. It sounds really energetic and keeps Jonah sounding fresh (and beachy!)

ooh fun, nns for Persephone.. Perse, Persie, Seph, Seffi, Perri, Per, Posy, Pony, Phony, Ephie, Sephie, Sephone, Oni, Soni, Persi, Percy, Nini, Sephi, Pep, Peppi, Sepho, Pipi/Pippi, Pippa, Poppy.. too far?

Oh, some of you might know this, as I've only seen the name in the northeast states - where does the girls name Perri comes from? is it short for anything?

For those of you who witnessed the earlier gecko infiltration, I have to pass on the latest news from gecko daughter:

"Momma, just so you know, your new edition is coming out in the land of the geckos under the title 'The Baby Name Lizard.'"

ha! your daughter has quite the sense of humor!

New baby alert:

Shev@ St@r, sister to R@diance! Apparently she was born on the first day of Shevat.

Thanks, all, for the feedback on Oona.

Anna: I’m overall neutral about Oona Chaplin, but I’m a literature lover, so I do like that she is Eugene O’Neill’s daughter. I’m glad the name strikes you having as a “medium strong” as opposed to cute vibe. I’m hoping that would be the more prominent impression, or that it would at least change from cute to something stronger as she grew up. And I think I agree with you--the double-o is the way to go. Thanks for the statistics!

Sarah smile: The ‘eu’ spelling is a really interesting variation. It gives a different feel altogether!

Leafy: Thanks for the feedback. And that’s just dreadful about “eeew Una”--good to know.

Also, I think Persephone is just gorgeous...in fact, I’m considering it for a middle name! I knew a Persephone in high school, and it was stunning on her. It was informally shortened to “Perseph” sometimes, but she went by the full name for the most part.

27 Jennifers: I know of one Henry nn Hank under 1--just a data point, for what it’s worth!

Thanks Bianca! I like Posy and Poppy the best of those, but I don't LOVE them. The rest... hmmmmmmmmm. Oh well, I doubt that I could ever convince hubby to give our daughter the name Persephone anyway, LOL!

Laura I love your new book name ;)

I was named for my mother's best friend in college. They had a pact to name future daughters for each other. I was born and duly named (a name I really have never liked). The friend ran into pressures from her family and in-laws to name her girl to honour someone in their family circle . I guess my mom felt she had kept her promise but when I was young I resented the inequity! I suppose if I had liked the name I might have felt honoured!

When we had our family we decided to use ancestral surnames as middle names for family continuity. Both of our sons had unique first names, and would have done the same for daughters if we had had any girls!

Guest11, I vote Karina (spelling your choice).

Leafy, I know a 5-yr-old Persephon3. She goes by Sephie. Darling.

Namesake no-no: I met a lovely 86-yr-old woman named Frieda (a name I rather like btw), at a 4th of July party. She told delightful stories of the days when her husband was the pastor of a small town church, and mentioned how one of their parishioners thought so much of her, he named one of his cows after her.

"I wasn't really very honored," she said sweetly.

Tonya - I also prefer children to have their own name free of expectations and family history. Not so much that I'm against any form of honouring, but I don't every single one of the names to be recycled. One thing I really don't like is when the father insists his first son is named after him just like he's named after his father who's named after his father etc. That just *ugh*s me! Does the mother not have any say at all, is she just a birthing machine?! And not to mention how this puts the first son on a most-important-child pedestal while the other sons are just back-ups and the girls don't even count. [end of feminist rant]

Another thing that bugs me is when people say: "We want to honour someone in the family - here's some of the family names we like the best: A, B, C, D, E, F,... What goes best with our first name choice of X?" To me that doesn't leave much "honour" in the choice. You should pick the person first!

I just wanted to add my input on Henry. Most of my friends are currently graduate students who are in their late twenties and about a third of them have boys named Henry. I love the name but in my circle of friends it is way too popular.

Anna, I agree with your point about people choosing a number of family names they would use to "honor" someone with and then figuring out which one complements the fn choice. My husband and I chose the mns (which do honor family members) first; then fns had to work with the already-chosen mns. That made it a little easier to choose fns, although I did have to let got of some sentimental faves that didn't work with the mn (e.g., Paul Walter is a non-starter for me and while Walter Paul is better, we wanted the family name in the middle).

One more thing about Oona vs. Una and Eunah: I wouldn't instinctively pronounce them the same, Eunah is [you-nah] and that would also be my first guess for Una, although I can see it go either way. I prefer Oona because of the reference to Oona O'neill/Chaplin (and possibly also because of my irrational dislike of U's).

Question for NEs on an unrelated topic: Zoe/Zoey/Zooey

Liking the name Zoe, but after reading some of the Namipedia stuff about it, I'm a bit curious. When did Zoey come into the mix? Was it created solely because people pronounced Zoe like Joe? Does anybody else feel like adding the Y is kind of like giving up, assuming the world is just not with it enough to know the name Zoe is most often pronounced like Joey? Weighing the options of having it spelled the "correct" way vs. not having to deal with pronunciation issues, I just don't know.

And where did Zooey come from? From J.D. Salinger? Do people pronounce it like Zoe or really like Zoo-ee? Curious and curious.

guest - betsy,
i very much prefer the zoe spelling. you pretty much hit the nail on the head by saying that adding the y feels like giving up (for me at least). plus...i really do feel like most people these days will know how to pronounce it without the y. it is not such an unknown name anymore. if it were me, i'd go with zoe.

and i think zooey came from j.d. salinger, though i can't absolutely say he was the first to use it.

Guest - Betsy

I also prefer the Zoe spelling, strongly actually. Zoey looks like a nickname to me (don't like names that look like nicknames). I agree with emilyrae that people ought to have heard the name before. I have also seen it spelt Zoë - that's the French way of saying the vowels should be pronounced separately and not as a diphthong. Of course, the diaeresis is uncommon in English so that may lead to a different kind of problems...

Zooey - don't know about this. It makes me think of a zoo, and that's probably not an entirely positive association.

Guest-
I would guess the Zoey spelling saw a jump because of "Zoey 101" on Disney. I've never seen the show, but Jamie-Lynn Spears (title character) got a lot of press for her pregnancy, and the show, and her character name, were mentioned in every article.

On honoring deceased relatives -- my husband and I decided we will one day use forms of the names of my grandmother and grandfather as middle names. First names are as yet to be decided and would have to match.

My middle name is that of a great-aunt who died before I was born. I despised the middle name growing up, but still liked the connection to my mom's "favorite aunt," and thought it was cool to be tied to someone who was so loved. I like the middle name as an adult.

On Honor naming, on a Baby Story This morning:
A couple has a baby daughter who they name for the husband's brother, who died the prior year. The brother's name was Kai.
The daughter's name: Kenya Amani Irving. (initials)

Laura-Very cute, thanks for sharing!

Re honorees: My dh is a JR. He just said that he never felt he had to live up to his dad and that they were very different people. My bro is also a JR and I cannot ask him, but from growing up, feel like he hated it. We decided early on NOT to give our children anything but unique fn's because they would then have the freedom to be their own persons. However, once we had our dd, her name turned out to be similar to my g-grandma. No big deal. She is not really "named after" her but since I will share my genealogy with her when she is old enough she will know of the similarity.

Re Persephone: when I was younger I pronounced this incorrectly as Per-se-phone. Even now I have to conciously struggle with it sometimes :)

Re Zoe: As this is my sn I pronounce it with the E sound on the end. The other part of my sn is a kre8tiv sp of Renee. I just liked the sound and the way it looked. Some have looked at it and said it w/o the E sound or some other weird complilation and I just look at them funny and correct them.

Re Oona: I think I agree with Anna on this. Eunah=You-nah. I would go with OOna.

Interesting discussion re: namesakes. I have never really thought of giving someone a family name as "recycling" it. (Unless you're George Foreman, who maybe went a little too far. Anna, I don't know if you were thinking of him during your self-described "feminist rant," but I totally get what you're saying!)

I think the honor comes with the idea that you appreciate or love certain qualities about a person that you would like to see continued or carried out in your own child. In that sense, it isn't the name you're honoring. If Carys is close enough to Karen to display that sentiment, then I think: go for it.

Although I understand wanting to give a child her/his own unique identity, I'd suggest that using family heritage to do this is certainly as legitimate as giving a child a name that means something, or is derived from a literary/musical/artistic connection, or simply just "sounds" a particular way to the parents.

Our problem was figuring out whom to honor, as we had lots of candidates in our family tree! The next logical step for us, then, was whose names worked with our last name, tastes, etc.

anna,
i don't often launch into feminist rants, but regarding naming the first son after the father (and grandfather, great-grandfather, etc), my family knows a family who had a daughter and and named the daughter bobby (or bobbi? not sure on spelling) after the father. then they later had a son and named him the exact same thing. i not only find this ridiculous (um...your children have the same name), but also incredibly insulting to the daughter. not only is she given a boy's name to satisfy the wishes of her father, who clearly wanted a boy, but also once a son was provided, her namesake didn't "count." theoretically, they should have been free to name their son william or paul or xavier, as the father already had a namesake, but the daughter was completely invalidated as result of the birth of a son. i find that infuriating.

(this would be an example, in my opinion, of a poor use of honor naming)

(upon reflection, the son's name may have been robert, nn bobby. but i know that both children were CALLED bobby).

zoerhenne,
you really had trouble with those greek endings didn't you? weren't you the one who pronounced penelope something like cantelope? not that i'm making fun--how many thousands of people (including myself) read harry potter and were endeared to the character of hermy-ohn?? :] also, i definitely did not realize your user name was "zoe renee." i was under the impression it was all one word and in my head it was something like
"zoh-er-(h)en." (i sort of swallowed the h, but it wasn't completely silent). no idea what exactly i thought that meant!

Just a quick anecdote for all of you who don't like using dad's name for feminist reasons.

My grandparents (in the late '40s mind you) had 2 kids, my dad and my aunt. My aunt is named B@rbara after my grandma (also B@rbara). However, my grandfather who hated his name, Ol!ver (named after his own dad), and gave my father a "new" first name (well, John) and his own middle name. I've always thought that was an unusal, and early, twist on parents bestowing their own names on children.

Besides the fact that my own name is terribly date-stamped and not particularly adored by me, it seems terribly narcissistic to give children your own name (as opposed to honoring someone else). JMO.

Good call zoerhenne, on asking about the publisher... I should be able to bypass my store's local distributors and get some from the publisher! My database has it listed as Bantam Books, which I think is just a subsidiary of Random House, so hopefully I can put in an order with them tomorrow!

The reason I asked about Zooey was because of the up and coming actress Zooey Deschanel... I just saw her in two movies over the weekend, and I think I've heard her talked about as "Zoe" but I wonder if that was incorrect and she really does pronounce it like zoo.

I agree, and thank you, Zoe should be Zoe not Zoey, but when reading the namipedia entry, it said a lot of people mess it up, so I just wanted to see..

emilyrae - yup, that's exactly the kind of "honouring" that makes me cringe.

I think my "problems" ;-) are rooted in the belief that the child's personality* should be respected. As in - you may have decided on Catherine Rose with Fleur Elizabeth as back-up, but when the girl is born and she reveals herself as a Kym - then she's a Kym, no matter how poorly it fits with your classic flower theme. If you are dead-set on a certain name and don't allow any room for the case where the intended name just doesn't fit - that's when I don't like it.

* identity..? can't think of a better word here

Ash - I scratch my head when people say they want to "honour themselves" with their children's names (in whatever way). I thought you could only honour *others*??

I emailed the publisher (Broadway Books / Random House) a few days ago but have not heard back yet.

Here's the book on their website:
http://www.randomhouse.com/broadway/catalog/display.pperl?isbn=978076791...

Oh, Hermione... (emilyrae)

I read an interview with J.K. Rowling where she explained her reasons for choosing the name Hermione: She wanted the name to reflect on Hermione's parents, who were dentists, and label them as the sort of middle-class people who'd choose a pretentious name for their child to look more upper-class.

I can't think of the name without also thinking of Rowling's intentions.

emilyrae and zoerhenne--I, luckily, had British relatives who taught me the correct Hermione pronunciation. But, my error with the -e- ending, was "epitome". As a kid I thought the spoken word epitomy and the written word "ep-i-tome" were two different words! :)

Also, I know a family with a situation much like the Bobbi/Bobby one emilyrae mentioned. I know a girl named Michael (named after dad). She has a younger brother, also named Michael. She goes by her middle name though, which makes things a little better, but it has always bothered me!

And speaking of having your 'own name' or 'identity'--my sister tutored some twins named Alexandra and Alexander...who both went by Alex! She said everyone calls them 'Alex the girl' and 'Alex the boy'. I can't imagine being so unimaginative that I would give my twins basically the same name!

i have a question going back several comments to henry being the next aidan/brayden... what do you all think will be the next "big name" or name trend, for boys and girls?

for me, i saw the whole isabella thing coming - bella became popular, then morphed into isabella, isabelle, isabel, belle, ella, elle, and now we're seeing eleanor. do major trends like this eventually die out as people become sick of them, or do they just keep morphing until they bear little or no resemblance to the name that started the trend (eleanor becomes nora, which no longer bears a resemblance to isabella?)

the top 10 names don't change much year to year, but then you go back a whole decade or two and the gradual changes have added up and the list looks completely different. did 80s names like kevin and eric actually die out, or did they morph into new names that are subtley related? is there a way to predict the next wave of popular names, based on what's popular now?

sorry if this makes little or no sense, i can't think of a better way to put it...

Guest #136,

Are you referring to my post #98? My pick was Aidan, Brayden... for the new Jennifer, not Henry as the new Aidan, Brayden... ?! Anyway, I don't think the Aidan, Brayden... 's are quite done. (And Kevin btw is #40 so it ain't dead just yet).

Laura, congratulations on the new book, can't wait to see it! Also I love love love your daughter's contributions. I've been laughing out loud at the Baby Name Lizard, published by gecko:)

My first stop to try and find the book when I have time will be New England Mobile Book Fair located outside Boston for any MA residents (I wouldn't mention this except that I know there are other people on this blog who live in this area!). I don't know if they'll have it, but they're pretty great there so I'll see what I find and report back if people are interested.

Zoe/zoey/zooey- Zooey Deschanel is pronounced Zoe as far as I know. I have to say I have a slight dislike of her because her name bothers me, totally irrational right? But I just don't understand why not just use Zoe. I know there's the JD Salinger thing, but I just like Zoe by far the best of any of them. (Just a personal opinion though!)

I'm working today and saw the name Rere... all I know is that she was a woman. I don't know if that's ree-ree, ray-ree, ray-ray, ree-ray, rhymes with Renee? Interesting though...

I know a family with two children who named both children with their parents initials. The mom was J and the father was L, so the older daughter was JL (first and middle initials) and the younger son was LJ. I always wondered how they decided whose initials came first, and if they gender of the kids was taken into account or not. On the plus side, the names themselves were perfectly fine names and not just diminutives of the parents names.

point of interest:
according to wikipedia, zooey (pronounced like zoe) deschanel "was named after Zooey Glass, the male protagonist of J. D. Salinger's 1961 novella Franny and Zooey."

i still find the spelling a bit ridiculous and unintuitive, but i do like the literary connection.

I have a close friend named Zooey--in tribute to Salinger, but pronounced like Zoe. She's in her late twenties.

Her first name is actually her mother's surname--a not-unusual English surname often used as a first name for boys. She goes exclusively by her middle name.

Thanks to everyone doing the research into the state of the new edition. I'm eager to get my hands on it.

Oh, I was going to metion also that I think like emilyrae said above I know a family where a girl got "the namesake" first and then the boy did! So this family has a Jordana and a Jordan. I also always feel bad for the girl, it just seems like, "this name wasn't really intended for you, so we're also giving it to him." Hopefully she doesn't feel that way though!

I was also going to say that I definitely never realized that zoerhenne was zoe renee til now! Fun! I definitely said Zo-er-hen or zo-er-hern in my head:)

Interesting response from the gecko (Random House):

"Thank you for contacting Random House and for your interest in our publications.
After checking my system, I do see that The Baby Name Wizard, ISBN 9780767917520, had an on-sale date of 2/8/2005. I can also see that The Baby Name Wizard, ISBN 9780767931595, is due to be released on 7/7/2009 in the eBook format. I do not believe that this is a revision of this title, but merely a new format that has become available for our customers. If you do not want the eBook, the only other format for this title is in Trade Paperback using ISBN 9780767917520."

I'm going to reply the email and clarify that it is a revision that is being released tomorrow and see what they say. Funny that they come up with a new ISBN for the eBook but not for the paper copy. Anyone know if it is possible to print an eBook? I'd obviously like to have the real hard copy book, but if the eBook is the only way to go, so be it.

BTW, I love the Baby Name Lizard, Laura! :)

emilyrae + JennyLeigh-Yes, I laugh too at the pronunciations of my sn. Glad I could give everyone a little giggle t0day. Guess I should've capitalized the R when I created it. Yes, I do have alot of trouble with the Greek endings LOL! Funny even more so, because my IRL name is derived from a longer Greek name.

Rere-I would tend to say it either "Rear" or "Ray-ray".

To all who posted stories of similarly named sibs-Ewww! I can't imagine having my children's names be Eric and Erica. OMG!

zoerhenne- You could have capitalized the R, but this way we just learned something new about your sn, makes it more fun!:)

I also agree Eric/Erica, Alexander/Alexandra, Jordan/Jordana, etc all seem way to close for me. I love the name Genevieve, but worry that as a Jenny THAT would be way too confusing and that has plenty of other nn's.

Also, since we've been doing so much irish-naming here I just read the book title "The Secret of Nimh" as "The Secret of Neve" in my head. hehe.

jenmn,
oh my goodness, not even the publisher can understand what we want! i am starting to become concerned. how can this be so complicated??

I grew up with these sibsets (girls are all older):

Angelique & Angel
Antoinette & Antoine
Tammy & Tommy
Shauna & Sean

I would assume many of them were named for their fathers... it always bothered me.

Oh, Dear! I echo the concerns of all BNW 2 desirers! My goal was to get a copy off to my very pregnant ,and very undecided,d-i-l and son, posthaste.. So frustrating--and, for you, Laura, it must be utterly maddening.You must get that Gecko on the phone--or send him our rants. The darn Lizard. ;-)

Another sibset that makes you wonder...

Maria & Marianne

I have a very similar problem. I really want to honor my great-grandmother (we shared birthdays). Her name? Armilda. I've researched it and I'm starting to think that her mother made it up because I can't find it anywhere. She went by Millie, which I think is pretty cute, but I don't want to give my daughter a full name that's so clunky.

That (partial bc I can't remember all of them) sib set: Lester, Harold, Armilda (Millie), Tillie (HATED it - she went by mn June). One of the uncles married a Jennie.

My husband and I really like Camilla, but not as a tribute. I think the tribute name needs to be REALLY close to the original.