Brother for Bastian

We’re being induced Friday and still don’t have a name!! We’re both apathetic to all the names we’ve come up with. Any help would be awesome!

 

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Our last name is Firethorn.

1 son Bastian (Named for Bast from Name of the Wind)

 

We were originally looking at continuing the fantasy book naming but we don’t want anything *too* obvious or out there. We’ve also considered naming him after my husband who is a Jr., and we have some random unaffiliated name ideas.

Book Name Ideas:

Elodin (Name of the Wind)

Locke (Locke Lamora)

Caulder (Last Witch Hunter (movie))

 

Husband:

William David (he would be III... Trip as n?)

 

Random Names:

Ellis

Grayson

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March 21, 2018 6:43 PM

If you share some other favorite fantasy novels or films, folks might be able to come up with some non-obvious name connections for you. I'd be willing to bet we could find a good William- or David-related namesake in there somewhere, too.

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March 21, 2018 11:22 PM

I wouldnt name your son Jnr,  usually that's bestowed on the firstborn

 

I like Grayson from your list  or Ellis

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March 22, 2018 10:36 AM

The junior being the firstborn is perhaps how it dften happens because people's first allegiance is to continuing tradition, but that's by no means a requirement.

Bastian makes me think of the Neverending Story, too. 

I would seek to include another favorite book reference in my second child's name, just because that's such a fun naming story. Perhaps Taran (Wanderer), Thorin, Jareth, Westley?

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March 22, 2018 11:27 AM

About half of the juniors in my family tree are not the firstborn, and these are in a time and place where pretty much every generation had a junior.

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March 22, 2018 2:29 AM

Oooh, that's a fun theme for a sibset! I can offer some names that have been on my list but vetoed by the husband:

Caspian, Thorin, Olivander

I think they're identifiably fantasy but still wearable, if that makes sense. I'm sure there are others here with more suggestions. Are there any books/series that you're particularly fond of? 

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March 22, 2018 5:11 AM

I'm not much good on fantasy series names, but I kind of like second borns being juniors. For me, an awesome nickname would be Wilkie, because Bastian and Wilkie are both unintuitive nicknames for more established long names.

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By EVie
March 22, 2018 11:59 AM

Firstly, I applaud you on your excellent taste in fiction :) Those are two of my favorite series right there. That said, this is the place where I give you my standard warning about naming after characters from works-in-progress: you have no idea what direction the author will take those characters in the yet-to-be-published books, and there's always the chance they will become very unlikeable or suffer some horrible, violent, degrading end.

Obviously, you've already named your son, and I think you're pretty safe there: you gave him the full name of Bastian, not just Bast, which is an established name with lots of other connotations besides The Name of the Wind (including another fantasy classic, The Neverending Story, which was a totally formative novel for me as a child). And I do think you're safer with Rothfuss and Lynch than you would be with, say, George R.R. Martin. 

I also think that Locke would be a solid choice. Like Bastian, it has other connotations besides Lamora, and it's a catchy name that will fit in well with current trends. And while Locke Lamora is certainly a morally gray character, it's hard to imagine that Lynch will do anything to make him irredeemable -- though there may be questionable moments, and I'm sure he will get stomped on quite a bit more before the end.

I would anticipate Elodin having pronunciation issues. If I were reading it for the first time, I would guess ELL-oh-din, but the audiobook narrator that I listened to pronounced it ee-LO-din, so that's some confusion right there (I have no idea if the audiobook narrator is right -- I've heard some truly unforgiveable errors from narrators in the past, like place names that they could have gotten right with ten seconds of research, e.g. pronouncing Marin County in California MA-rin. And if I recall, this narrator had some other oddities as well -- I didn't figure out that "Ari" was Auri until much later, reading reviews online). 

I'm all in favor of IIIs, but I'm not a huge fan of Trip or Trey as nicknames, I have to say. It sounds very fratty to me. My vote would be just to find a different nickname from your husband -- there are enough options for William that it shouldn't be too challenging. I like the suggestion of Wilkie. You could also use David for the call name.

Also, you have an amazing last name. It will make almost anything you choose sound fabulous and fantastic. Which may be a reason to lean toward moderation, since a Will1am Fireth0rn or D@vid Fireth0rn *already* sound like characters from a fantasy novel; going for Elodin Fireth0rn strikes me as a little over the top.

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March 22, 2018 12:34 PM

I enjoy the more fantasy oriented first names with the surname, too, but I'm definitely a more-is-more kind of person. It is an amazing surname no matter what first name it's paired with! 

I agree Locke is a "safer" choice, pronunciation unambiguous, but Elodin's different syllable stresses don't seem like it is something that I would get very worked up about as I think they'd sound mostly the same when said in conversation. I think you could safely pick your favorite of ELL-oh-din, AY-lo-din, EE-lo-din, or the different stressed syllable permutations. People would largely follow your lead, but all of those start to sound mostly the same to me when said quickly or without careful annunciation, so I would probably just adopt a very zen attitude about all of those being not-wrong (it being a recent literary invention helps with that, I think). I suspect that when the movie adaptation hits that then you'll encounter one of the pronunciations being reinforced as "correct" by the film, though! 

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By EVie
March 22, 2018 1:19 PM

Hmm, as someone with an El- beginning name with variant pronunciations (including in which syllables are stressed), I definitely disagree about the "mostly the same when said quickly." I do cringe internally when I hear some of the "wrong" (to me) pronunciations, particularly that eeeee beginning which is just like nails on a chalkboard. But I've also said before that it's an annoyance, not a dealbreaker, so I wouldn't discount my own name based on that alone.

On the other hand, as you've said, Elodin is a recent literary invention and the movie (which doesn't have a release date as far as I know, so maybe not 100% guaranteed to happen?) would likely cement one pronunciation as correct. Which is quite different than a name like mine, which is an established classic with several historically authentic pronunciations in different linguistic traditions. I imagine I would find it much more annoying and possibly a dealbreaker if my pronunciation were the "wrong" one of two variants, as opposed to the dominant of several. 

If in doubt, you could always tweet at Pat Rothfuss to ask about the correct pronunciation ;)

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March 22, 2018 6:07 PM

I definitely grant that people DO pronounce El- names very differently, but I think the reason it's so squishy is that many people really don't hear the difference, and that when they're said quickly the casual, uninvested listener doesn't hear the differences very prominently. I can appreciate that if it's your name you might be much more attuned, though. 

I think Elodin makes me draw comparison to Elodie, which is either rhyming with Melody or a more French ay-loh-dee. I think the ee- pronunciation would be only a distant third guess for me, but I sometimes slip and say Eliza with an ee- at the beginning... so I am definitely a sloppy pronouncer of El- names who will strive to do better. :)

I would totally try to nail the author down on the pronunciation!!

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March 22, 2018 12:40 PM

I have massive surname envy over here. 

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March 22, 2018 8:59 PM

Yes, we elongated to Bastian both because of Neverending story and because I felt like Bast was too much of a nickname! We toyed with Atreyu at the very start of the pregnancy but decided it was too matchy.

This morning we were taking about Roland (Dark Tower) which we like almost just as well as the others. I think with the feedback here we can probably cross off Elodin (I think I would end up calling him Odin anyway and I don’t think hubface wants to go the god route).

I think our main problem is we just aren’t feeling fireworks with any name, every time we start to lean into one it stops being more appealing than the others. We had Bast and Briar (future girl name) long before we were pregnant with B, and we absolutely adore the names. Maybe we just have to let go of loving whatever name we pick as much.

If there is one thing I’ve learned in this process it’s that people will accept almost *any* name as a nickname for William... I’ve even had people tell me to name him William and then just call him Ellis lol. I’m not a huge fan of Wilkie though.

And thanks for the last name love — I’m feeling lucky over here!

 

12 hours to go and counting!!

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March 23, 2018 1:24 AM

I love Roland for you: like Bastian, it's a classic, "real" name (as opposed to a literary invention like Elodin), and it has multiple literary allusions/antecedents. (Song of Roland as well as Dark Tower for Roland, Neverending Story as well as Name of the Wind for Bastian.)

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March 23, 2018 7:38 AM

Wim is my favourite William nickname, personally.

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March 25, 2018 9:36 PM

Your list is all over the map! I like the spelling Calder for Caulder.

Your last name is awesome, btw.

I'll suggest:

Leander

Evander

Nikolai or Nico

Kade

Desmond

Matthias or Matteo

Raphael

Elijah

 

 

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March 26, 2018 7:35 PM

Well.... we ended up going with Roland!! Thank you guys for your help!

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March 26, 2018 8:53 PM

Congratulations! I think Roland is an excellent choice!

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March 27, 2018 1:02 AM

What a fabulous resolution! Congratulations, and I think it's a terrific choice!

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By EVie
March 27, 2018 10:26 AM

Yay! Really, it's a perfect choice :)