Can you weigh in on Auden?
So, we're having naming conversations in earnest, now that we know it's a boy. DH thought of the name Auden, and he says it's in a top-three slot, along with Xavier (Simon, alas, doesn't make the cut - the third slot is currently blank :( ). I'm just wondering what people's perception of the name is.
What I like is that it's simple and thoughtful sounding - a little studious and sweet. In that way, it's similar to Simon. I also don't mind that it's the name of a poet (and researching further, it looks like W.H. Auden's father and brother were also pretty illustrious role-models).
But, does it make you think overwhelmingly of the word "ODD"? Does it seem just like a poor-man's Aiden?
I thought it'd be worth exploring this further before DH gets too attached.
Thanks!
Wed, 05/23/2012 - 11:36am
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Auden doesn't make me think of the word odd, because I'd pronouce Auden with more of a "aw" vowel at the beginning, like Laura.
It doesn't sound like a poor man's Aiden. Instead, to me, it sounds like it's one step ahead - a fresher, trendier Aiden.
Trend-setting is not what I want out of a name, but if trend-setting is appealing to you, it would be a great choice.
I like the name fine. I don't love it for my own personal use, but I like it for someone else. My first thought, though, was that if you used Auden as a first name, and if you decide to include your surname in the middle, you would most definitely need to use two middle names because using your surname as the only middle name does not have good rhythm at all.
I did not think of "odd" on my own, but as I said the name a few times aloud, focusing on how I pronounce it, it began to sound like a made-up verb, "to odden" - i.e., to make something odd. However, I think that if you don't point it out, most people won't go there on their own.
In your regional accent, what tends to happen to "t" and "d" when they are in the middle of words? I tend to enunciate them, but I know that many many people don't (leading to, for example, Florida radio commercials for the local "dennal cenner", where people can go to get their teeth checked.) If the "d" is typically less strong, it will sound even less like "odd".
I think your description of it is accurate--simple, studious, and sweet. I would not call it a poor man's Aiden at all. To me, Auden is to Aiden as Calder is to Carter. That is, a traditional surname with a cultured background, which sounds like an unusual twist on a modern trendsetter. The popular version makes it sound fairly normal and "name-y", while it is different enough to still catch people's attention. The only thing that throws me off about this one is the "odd" sound, which I do hear (and I agree with you that Audley is right out!). That's enough to make me prefer Alden, but as I mentioned before, I knew Audreys growing up who didn't seem to have a problem, and the name is on the rise I think, so maybe the "odd" is no big deal. Other than that, it sounds nice with the surname, because Aud and Fon have the same vowel sound for me, so there's that repetition, as well as the repeated d/t and n sounds. I agree, though, that it would ideally have another middle if you plan on using your surname as a second middle, since that would be 3 names all with the same stressed vowel up front (Aud, Hoff, Fon). I have the urge to put James in there--I think Auden James H.F. sounds quite handsome.
I've grown really attached to Xavier C. for you, but Auden is a nice idea too.
In my head, I put James in there, too! (I wonder if it has to do with that other thread about the last name that will ultimately change to James...)
Ditto what everyone else has already said.
I'll add that another reason for a 2nd middle is not only the way Auden H.F. sounds, but also because you'd be using three surname names right in a row. I can see the potential for that to cause confusion on forms and such. I knew someone whose 3 names were all common firsts-think Paul Matthew Arnold (not the real name) and he always complained that they would end up out of order on forms, roll sheets or in computer systems.
James works as a good middle, but I personally find Auden Xavier H.F. to be very dashing. Smart and sensitive but also adventurous and fun to be around.
I think if we did go with Auden, we'd do Auden Xavier - that's the combo I like. I'm not positive I'm convinced, but we'll see...
I was surprised because a couple of people IRL had a negative reaction to Xavier. I should know better than to bring it up by now, but I seem to keep getting roped in.
I like Auden Xavier. (I wasn't saying that James was the best middle name, only that I had thought of it, too.) Plus, in the middle spot, you'd have much fewer pronunciation issues with Xavier, and X is definitely the coolest middle initial.
You know, in isolation, I agree with your assessment of Auden. It's a nice-sounding name, and I always like literary references. The "odd" thing wouldn't really be an issue for me—I suppose I say them more or less the same, but I think of Aud- and odd- as being so totally different that it wouldn't have even occurred to me if you hadn't pointed it out (it's never occurred to me for Audrey, either, and I have a great-aunt Audie, so I've heard the name spoken quite a bit).
In today's baby-naming context, though, I do think it's too close to Aiden. I wouldn't call it a poor-man's Aiden... if anything, it's an educated man's Aiden (and I do mean Aiden, not Aidan, as I recognize that Aidan has a long and distinguished history). Auden is only one letter away from Aiden, and the letters that differ lie right next to each other on the keyboard, which would make me afraid that people would think the name was Aiden with a typo. It's also so, so close in sound, with that ultra-trendy -den ending. Even if people don't misread it all the time (which I think they will), it's going to blend right in with the other trendy names.
Also, I wouldn't recommend combining Auden with Camille. Given the popularity of Aubrey, etc. for girls, and the fact that it's an androgynous surname anyway, I think Auden Camille will be more prone to gender confusion than most of your other options. If you can't have Simon, then my vote goes to Xavier Camille.
I agree. It's a shame that we all seem plugged into this contemporary zeitgeist in which -n names just sound lovely. But I agree that Auden, though delicious to my (zeitgeist-influenced) ears, sounds too much like all the other popular boy names.
I've had friends name their sons Adrian and Orien. Just yesterday I was reading a New York Times article (well, actually watching the slideshow that goes with the article online) about Ina May Gaskin, the natural chilbirth guru, and saw the featured couple named their son Odin.
Aiden-Aidrian-Orien-Odin-Auden. Even when being daring, these namers are sticking very close to the same sound. Unfortunately, it's the sound of a generation. A lovely, lovely sound.
As a teacher I find that this trend in similar-sounding names makes it incredibly difficult to remember children's names. I teach at an all-girls' school and have a ton of girls with names in the vowel-consonant-vowel (usually -a) or consonant-vowel-consonant pattern (Emma, Ella, Ada, Isla, Hannah), and I find I'm constantly calling the girls by the wrong name. Each name would be really lovely in a different naming context, say 20 years ago. But in the current context, they become somewhat generic.
Sorry to be so negative. If Auden is what you love, go for it. As I said, it's absolutely lovely. But you asked for our honest assessments... and that's my first reacition.
Best of luck. I know your boy will have a great name, and I wish for him a beautiful life!
So. I love the poet, so that colors my opinion somewhat. I think it's a great name. My slight hesitation is based on the fact that it is gender neutral. In 2011 it was given to 29 girls and 60 boys. The year before, 23 girls and 50 boys. In 2009 it was 39 girls and 44 boys. So a few more boys are getting the name but not a lot...I'm guessing it appeals to girl parents because of the Aud- beginning (like Audrey but different). I could see Auden going like Aubrey and Avery did, way over to the girl side in 10 years. That may not be a big deal, but it's a consideration. I really like it though, and I'm not usually a huge fan of gender neutral names. It's particular nice with Xavier as a middle name.
I like it! I don't think it's a name that would work for me, personally, but I would like it on someone else's baby.
It definitely doesn't come close to sounding like odd for me. It also sounds very different to Aiden and wouldn't be confused.
Pros: you both like it; it's not common; it sounds nice with your surname; it's unusual without being totally off trend (n ending will fit right in); straight forward spelling and pronunciation.
Cons: it may blend with a lot of other n ending boys names; it might be somewhat gender neutral (although I firmly like it for boys not girls); it probably rules out Camille as a middle due to the gender neutral issue.
I agree with previous posters that Auden Xavier is a winning combo.
I mentioned to DH that Auden had a trendy ending, and he was absolutely disgusted with me. He thinks that's overthinking things to a crazy extent. Clearly, he has minimal patience with the NE attention to detail. He'll listen to me (grudgingly) if I tell him a whole name is too trendy, but he thinks I'm going to far with any concern about the -en ending. Oh well.
Your DH is probably right that we overthink things a bit but while you are at the thinking stage it's fine to consider all the pros and cons of names. I think when it comes down to picking one though some things are far less important than we might think they are!
Your husband and mine should get together for drinks sometimes. Mine says I overthink too much too-and he's especially annoyed that my name hobby (he calls it an obsession) has only increased since we've stopped having kids. There are so many fantastic names out there I didn't get to use, I have to help find homes for them somewhere-right? ;)
The "Au" combination at the start of a word inevitably makes me think of "gold" ("Au" is its symbol on the periodic table, and the Latin word for gold is "aurum").
That's not a bad connotation, I think.
Actually the aud- in Auden is cognate to ead- in English, as in Eadweard (original spelling of Edward and as in Eadweard Muybridge). Nothing to do with the Latin for gold, although gold is certainly a pleasant thought. However, aud-/ead- means 'rich,' 'prosperous,' hence blessed, so thoughts of gold wouldn't actually be amiss with Auden. BTW ot- as in Otto is also cognate with aud-/ead-. Come to think of it, with all the interest in Milo and Theo, where is Otto? Hiding out with Waldo, no doubt.
Otto is totally on my list. Look at the graph on NameVoyager; it's just beginning its ascent after being out of the top 1000 for about 50 years.
I know a family of three young boys: Otto, Milo, and Theo. I think Otto will start appearing more soon.
Agreed, Otto is up-and-coming in the UK (though I haven't met any yet) so stay tuned for more! Can't say the same for poor Waldo, though.
Otto is also on my boy list. Waldo, though, is definitely not!
I don't mind Auden. I think if I didn't know you were considering it for a boy I might think it tended a bit feminine -- actor Noah Wyle's daughter's name is Auden -- but it doesn't remind me of "odd" and it doesn't make me think of Aiden or similar names at all. And the WH Auden connection is very cool.
I thought of you tonight when I saw the credits for a movie my boys were watching (Tin Tin) -- the name Xavier Trudeau-Deschenes was among those involved in making the movie. I looked him up -- he's a 2D and 3D Canadian animation artist (http://www.wix.com/xaviertd/folio) -- and I thought a great example of how well Xavier pairs with a French last name.
Fwiw, It doesn't remind me of Aidan et al a bit.
Nor does it make me think of the word odd.
It makes me think of Alden, which I also like, and Adair, which was long my secret fav girl's name (though it's historically male). It also reminds me of Arden.
It's very much a name I'd imagine running into in my sister's upper-crusty neighborhood, where there are routinely parties full of kids with names like Ansel, Daphne, etc....
I think my one concern about it would be that it has a bit of a feminine sound, though I don't really see it becoming a big girl's hit any time soon.
I would pronounce that name as "AWW-den" and so I don't really hear the word "Odd" in it.
I have to say that it's a very nice, unusual name and that I do think that it has the kind of feel that you're looking for (quiet, studious, etc), but I'm not a huge fan.
But my reasons for not liking it all that much are perhaps unique to me. My name is actually my screenname spelled backwards. "Auden" is how folks with foreign accents have pronounced my name, so to me it sounds kind of like a mispronunciation of my own name. I get a "That's not my name!" feeling, which is, of course, ridiculous since you're not trying to say my name!
I think you should use it. My weird reasons are very weird indeed. The name is lovely.
I like Auden. I agree with your read on it: studious, serious, sweet. All lovely qualities in a son :) I also do not think of odd and it appeals to me in a way that Aidan no longer does.
I actually like it better than Xavier, which does read very Catholic to me. Probably because I am Catholic and it's a super popular name with religious yet trendy Catholics these days.
But Auden Camille is perhaps too soft, too much of the same repeated, in a way that Xavier Camille is not.
Are you going to debate these two names now or work with husband on filling that third slot before debating?
Coll - It's good to know that Xavier is popular among trendy Catholics these days. I'm kind of out of the loop as far as that goes. I think we're just setting aside options we like and exploring others to add to the list. It's tough, because I like the dashing feel of Xavier, but I and DH are very much not Catholic. Right now I think I like Xavier better, associations aside...but a name never really travels without its associations, does it? Maybe I'll veer back to liking Auden better. We could go with Auden Xavier, then we have a little dash to balance the sweetness of Auden without having such a Catholic "package". And X as a middle initial is pretty darn cool.
DH is surprisingly fond of Auden, even though that means we wouldn't be able to use Camille. And the name got guy approval from his best friend - the one who said Simon would just get beat up.
Another name we've liked is Everett. Somehow, I can't imagine a grown-up Everett, though. Or when I do, he's very country - I could imagine a country vetrinarian or farmer named Everett, maybe. Seems a little pigeonholed, and the t ending isn't great with the last name.
Auden Xavier F-----ot is a gorgeous name. I agree that Auden Xavier is sweet and dashing at once. Really enchanting :)