Need help with name for girl #3

We are really stuck on a name for another girl and thought I'd consult the hive mind here for some suggestions. Our other daughters are Audrey Claire and Camille Josephine. Some names that we like but aren't quite right (and the reason we rejected them):

-Charlotte (waaaaay too popular)

-Amelia (close relative already named that)

-Juliette/Juliet (my husband HATES nicknames and thinks she would become Jules or Julie)

-Victoria (nicknames)

-Vivienne (nicknames)

-Simone (have been told by several ppl this is an African-American name and it would be gauche cultural appropriation to use it)

-Jacqueline (nicknames)

-Isabel (too popular and nicknames)

-Madeleine (too popular and nicknames)

-Laurel (rhymes with our last name)

 

The "unlikely to be called by a nickname" rule really complicates things, but it's one my husband is unwavering on (He prefers his full name but people automatically shorten it constantly and he HATES it. Think a William who wants to be William, but everyone calls him Will or Bill or...). Nobody makes nicknames out of middle names though, so we could still use one of those names for a middle name  

 

We are currently leading towards Elise (but are having trouble coming up with a middle name that sounds nice with it) or Caroline (but husband is worried that it may become Carrie). 

 

Anyone have any other name ideas? Or suggestions for middle names for Elise?

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April 9, 2017 5:54 PM

Re Simone, tell that to Simone de Beauvoir. It's a French name. Because there are currently a couple of African-American Olympians named Simone, that does not make the name off-limits to non-African-Americans.

Re nicknames: Perhaps look among the one-syllable names like Mae, Fern, Jade or the names that are nicknames to begin with, like Molly, Sadie, Polly, Sasha, Nan.

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April 9, 2017 7:26 PM

I'm with Miriam--Simone is French, and anyone should feel welcome to use it.

Other ideas: Celeste, Phoebe, Marian, Dalia/Dahlia, Delia, Daphne, Sonia, Nadia, Giselle, Iris, Margo/Margot/Margaux, Leslie, Amy, Ivy, Clara, Ruby.

Elise Victoria sounds great to me.  Or...
Elise Marina (or Mariah or Moriah)
Elise Emilia
Elise Natalia
Elise Noelle (or Danielle or Michelle)
Elise Naomi

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April 9, 2017 9:18 PM

Ooh Celeste! I like that a lot and hadn't thought of that one

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April 9, 2017 8:58 PM

(Juliet(te) already is a nickname.) My experience as a Julia is that nobody shortens it, but some older people misremember it as Julie. The six-year-old Julia I know, on the other hand, has never been called anything other than her full name. Granted, her experience of the name is much shorter than mine, but older generations are more likely to want nicknames for youngsters, so it's still a telling difference. I don't like being called by the wrong name -- Julie for some reason is just totally Not Me -- so I understand your husband's worry, but I think most of the names you're rejecting due to nicknames are unlikely to get automatically shortened nowadays. (The  one exception may be Victoria: it has been perpetually popular enough, and is long enough, that Vicky may happen from all sorts of unexpected people.)

Any interest in my sister's name, Martha? It has possible nicknames, but none of them are even remotely automatic.

Oh, and I agree with previous commenters: those people who said Simone is inappropriate for you were completely wrong.

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April 9, 2017 10:00 PM

Several people? For real? No, anyone who tells you that Simone is not usable is trying so hard not to offend anyone that they are going WAY too far in the other direction. Simone is a beautiful French name that works spendidly with Audrey and Camille. If you use that name, your daughter would have two fantastic Olympians who share her name, and that's the end of that.

Elise is rather nickname proof, though, and goes really well with several of your other choices that may not work due to nicknames. It also goes very well with your other daughters' names.

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April 10, 2017 9:33 AM

I have other reservations about Simone too. I'm a woman with a very masculine name (think along the lines of a girl named James. Pro tip to parents who are considering giving your daughter a man's name- DON'T. As a woman who has had to live with it for nearly 40 yrs, I can promise you she won't thank you for it). Because of a lifetime of having to deal with the constant stress and confusion my name has caused, it is imperative to me that my daughters have names that are 100% female. Not necessarily frilly or foofy, just unmistakably female. And I'm worried that Simone will be misread as Simon

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April 10, 2017 10:25 AM

Odd then that you chose Camille which is not 100 per cent feminine. It is definitely unis3x like Patrice, Dominique, and Andrea (e.g., Camille Saint Saens, Camille Pissaro). In Louisiana where Camille is not uncommon, I met more male Camilles than female. Simone is as feminine as Camille, in fact more so.

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April 10, 2017 11:26 AM

Your experience is far outside the norm then. The only place that Camille isn't considered to be fully feminine is in France. I lived in Paris for a yr and the name is seen as more androgynous, but definitely skews heavily female even there. I happen to live in NOLA and have never met (or even heard of) a male Camille  on this side of the Atlantic.

 

In the USA, the only time Camille has ever in broken in to the top 1,000 ranks for males was in 1915, when 40 boys were named that and in 1911 when 12 boys were named that. There are always going to be parents who name their children outside of the "norm" but I don't think that 52 boys being named Camille over a century ago makes the name skew even the tiniest bit masculine now. 

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April 10, 2017 12:06 PM

The father of some friends I had growing up in California was named Kamill. That plus the French composer caused me to be somewhat surprised when I first encountered Camille identified as a feminine name. (I've never figured out French spelling/feminization. Why is it Rene and Renee, but Camille and Simone for both?)

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By EVie
April 11, 2017 3:42 PM

Because René has an accent aigu on the final e, so it's articulated, and Camille doesn't, so it's silent (actually, the double Ls are not pronounced either--in French it's cah-MEE). You'll see the same pattern in other pairs of nouns--e.g. fiancé is masculine, fiancée feminine. Skimming through the Behind the Name French names list, I also found André/Andrée, Désiré/Désirée, Dieudonné/Dieudonnée, Edmé/Edmée and Honoré/Honorée (in several of these names, the -é ending actually reflects the passive verb tense--René literally means "reborn," Désiré "desired," Dieudonné "God-given," Honoré "honored"--these are in that category of names that actually do have "meanings").

Generally speaking, French nouns are feminized by adding an unaccented e (which replaced the -a ending of Latin)--Pascal/Pascale, Jean/Jeanne (often the consonant gets doubled), Daniel/Danielle, Denis/Denise, François/Françoise, et cetera. Some masculine names already end in e, in which case they either don't change when feminized (Camille, Claude, Lucrèce), or else get an -ie instead (Aurèle/Aurélie, Eugène/Eugénie). E with an accent aigu (é) acts more like a consonant ending, and gets the additional e when feminized. Simone isn't androgynous, it's feminine--the masculine is Simon, same as in English.

And that's probably more than you wanted to know! ;)

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April 11, 2017 8:02 PM

I appreciated it.  Any insight about the Esmé spelling for girls?

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By EVie
April 13, 2017 12:46 AM

Esmé is an interesting case! I'm not 100% sure, but based on the evidence that the Internet presents me (via an admittedly cursory search), my conclusion is that it is being used incorrectly--Esmé should be a masculine name, and originally was. The first recorded usage I can see is a bunch of Scottish/British male aristocrats, starting in the 16th century.  The first prominent female Esmés start showing up in the 19th century--in fact, the earliest I see on Wikipedia is a novelist who used the name Esmè Stuart (note the incorrect accent--real name Amélie Claire Leroy) when publishing in the 1870s and '80s, and lo and behold, a few more female Esme/Esmés are born starting in the 1880s. Also very interesting is that nearly all the people on this list are Anglophones, with a few Dutch--not a Francophone in sight. So while Esmé is very clearly derived from Old French, it doesn't seem to be authentically French in usage--which goes a long way to explain why it's being used incorrectly.

So in short, Esmée would be the correct spelling for girls, if it were really a French name--but I'm inclined to consider it more an English invention based on already-dead Old French vocabulary. 

(However, I could be missing some critical piece of information here--anyone have any further insight? I didn't find any form of Esmé in the Dictionary of Medieval Names from European Sources (http://dmnes.org/names). HNG, I remember that some years back you had posted some links to SCA medieval name research--anything relevant there?)

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April 13, 2017 2:07 AM

There's an Esme, duke of Lennox mentioned in 1581 in the Records of the Parliaments of Scotland (http://www.rps.ac.uk/mss/1581/10/87), and a non-professional volunteer indexer read an English bride's name as Esme Barton in a 1554 marriage record (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NJCY-26L). Withycombe goes into further detail on that first guy:

Esmé (m., f.): the first occurrence of this name seems to be Esmé Stuart (1542-83), 6th Seigneur d'Aubigny and afterwards Duke of Lennox, cousin of James VI of Scotland, whose mother was French. His name, which is not found earlier in the family, and which was borne by his son and his grandson, was sometimes spelt Aymie, and it is possible that it is really the fairly common French name Aimé (see AMYAS). The name spread from the Stuarts to other Scottish families and eventually to England.... It is now sometimes given to girls, probably from confusion with the old name Ismay (q.v.).

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By EVie
April 13, 2017 2:20 PM

Thanks--I wish there were more on the 1554 marriage to better assess whether that Esme is really plausible. The Duke of Lennox and his family were the same 16th century aristocrats that I found. I like Withycombe's suggestion that the use of Esmé for girls is based on confusion with Ismay (a name that I really love, but have never come across outside of medieval records and surnames). 

Another thought I had is that in modern French, the s in Esmé would most likely have morphed into an accent circonflexe on the E (Êmé), as in the place name Angloulême (in the Middle Ages spelled Engolesme), or the words hôtel (from Old French hostel), forêt (forest), fête (feste, related to "feast" and "festival"), pâté (paste), etc.. Norman French, however, did not lose the s in these words, which is why we still have them in English (as Norman French was the dialect that came over the Channel with William the Conquerer and made its way into Middle English). So that, to me, is more evidence that Esmé is more an English appropriation than authentically French.

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April 13, 2017 3:04 PM

Images of some of the English parish records are on Ancestry, but I don't have a subscription, so I can't check whether that 1554 marriage is among them or not.

Based on Withycombe's statement that Esme the Duke's name was sometimes spelled without the 's', I do wonder how the Stuart family actually said the name. Did they apply mainland French rules? If so, what would that have meant in the 16th century?

(One of my many confusions about French spelling is this whole circumflex thing: does hôtel sound any different from hotel?)

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April 13, 2017 3:38 PM

I have no idea about Old French, but in modern French the main difference between hôtel and hotel is that the h is not pronounced. However, it sounds significantly different from hostel, which is the earlier English borrowing (mid-13th century vs mid-17th) and shows the pre-reduction vowel-s.

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By EVie
April 13, 2017 7:05 PM

I am not sure when exactly the s fell out of French, except that it was after the Norman conquest (Miriam?) Old French is considered to end in the 14th century, so I would guess sometime around then or thereafter. I did read that it was used in writing for some time after it fell out of spoken French, so it's a little hard to tell just from written records. 

The accent circonflexe is kind of a confused historical relic. It functions kind of like an apostrophe in English, signaling that there is a missing letter after the vowel (not necessarily always a consonant, sometimes more than one letter, though the missing s is the most common). It does change the pronunciation of some vowels (a, e, o) but not i or u--Wikipedia gives the example of cote, [kɔt], and côte, [kot] (the same would apply for hôtel) Sometimes it really is there just for funsies, because someone decided the word looked better spelled that way.

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April 12, 2017 10:23 AM

It has recently struck me as rather amusing that French renders names like Daniel and Emanuel feminine by basically rendering the final syllable elle, i.e. "her", given the Hebrew meaning of -el as g-d.

I mean, I understand it (NOT looking for a lesson about how names don't really have meanings) but I just find the Hebrew-French mash-up kind of amusing and wonder if those fluent in Hebrew and French agree. Like "the meaning" of the units of Danielle in Heb-rench add up to something like "She is my judge." and in the case of Emanuelle, "She is with us." Like in feminizing -el, they're feminizing g0d.

These are the sorts of things that I didn't notice for years, but once I started to think more about names made me laugh. Anyone else with me?

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April 12, 2017 8:14 PM

That IS really amusing! 

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By EVie
April 13, 2017 12:53 AM

It's always funny when languages intersect in that way! Reminds me of the names that acquired folk etymologies because they sound similar to words in other languages, like the Germanic Rosamund and Rosalind ("horse-protection" and "horse-soft") being glossed in Latin as "rose of the world" and "beautiful rose."

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April 10, 2017 12:40 PM

You must not have lived in NOLA long if you missed the prominent Louisiana politician Camille Gravel, albeit he did pass away a few years ago.

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April 10, 2017 2:32 PM

Born and raised in NOLA. As were my parents. And I've never heard of Camille Gravel. I looked him up and Wikipedia says he was 90 yrs old when he died 15 yrs ago. Which doesn't contradict the fact that contemporary usage of Camille is overwhelmingly female. 

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April 10, 2017 4:00 PM

He was all over the political coverage in the Times-Picayune. I wasn't born and raised in NOLA,  but I lived there 25 years, and I was very familiar with Camille Gravel. I knew only one female Camille, the daughter of a colleague, who was always called Cammie, but several males, in addition to Gravel.

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April 10, 2017 5:01 PM

And your point is??? Wikipedia tells me he was an aid to the governor in 1952. I think most ppl would be hard pressed to name a single aid to their CURRENT governor, much less one from 65 yrs ago. Heck, most ppl probably can't even name who their state's actual governor was 65 yrs ago.

And discussions of "Camille" have no bearing on the topic at hand- which is name ideas for my 3rd daughter. Not my 2nd daughter, who is long since named. It's pretty clear you think we chose poorly, and you're entitled to your opinion. But we're very happy with the name we chose for her and it's not up for debate. If you have any suggestions for our impending daughter, I'd love to hear them. If not, maybe it's time to find another thread to comment on? I'm pretty well over the unsolicited civics lesson though

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April 10, 2017 5:31 PM

I think Miriam's point was that if Camille was not too masculine for you, then Simone shouldn't be, either.

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April 10, 2017 5:55 PM

I never said Simone was masculine. Simone is a very feminine name. I said I was worried it would be misread as Simon

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By mk
April 11, 2017 5:41 PM

Simone may not be as common as other names, but I think plenty of people know it, or know that adding a vowel to a masculine name is often done to make it feminine, so will see it as a different name.

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April 10, 2017 6:08 PM

I was chiming in to say the exact same thing. Miriam's original post re Camille was in answer the worries about the masculinity of Simone.

People can have very different experiences in the same environment.

I remembered Hurricane Camille and looked it up to see that it was in 1969. That may be the reason Miriam knew several men born prior to that with the name.

I can see a subsequent revival may have been mostly feminine after passage of time.

I love this site because we learn a lot about history, linguistics, e t c. (this e t c thing is nuts!)

In fact, usually tangents are the best.

 

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April 12, 2017 10:38 AM

I totally agree, but want to add that sometimes Miriam's posts can read as unnecessarily pedantic and verging on rude. I'm not sure this is the best example.

But I've felt this a few times and brushed it aside because I value her knowledge and contributions more than I find myself off-put by her tone. 

Miriam, it would make me, personally, feel a lot happier if you put more effort into expressing kindness and sympathy alongside correct knowledge. 

My guess is that it's in part a matter of tone, which can be difficult to express and to interpret in online communication.  I suggest we all re-read our posts aloud before submitting them. Perhaps imagine that you're writing to someone you respect and who is important to you. Or to yourself when you were trying to balance her deep knowledge and interest in names with the demands of family, culture, and the inner critical voice when pregnant.

I am currently reading what I've written aloud to ensure that I'm expressing my criticism constructively. I deeply value all of the contributions of regular posters here and Miriam's most of all, I have to say. I hope you all read this in that spirit. 

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April 9, 2017 10:19 PM

Simone is French.  & I agree with previous posters that it works really well with Audrey & Camille.

From your list, Juliet seems least likely to be automatically nicknamed, though I could see it being misheard as Julie. 

Victoria & Vivienne make me think of Violet.  I suppose it could be shortened to Vi, but it doesn't seem like an automatic nickname to me the way Mike for Michael or Bill for William could be automatic.

I really like Elise.  It seems unlikely to be nicknamed, though anything is possible.  I also think it works well with Audrey & Camille.  From your list, I'd probably pair it with Juliet or Simone.

Just curious, has anyone tried to shorten Camille to Cammy or somesuch?  My experience has been that people from my generation & older tend to get the automatic nickname treatment.  However, more kids today are going by their full names, so people I've encountered seem more respectful of using whatever name the child is introduced by.  FWIW, I have William and nobody has ever tried to shorten it to Will or Bill.

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April 10, 2017 8:44 AM

We've never once gotten Cammy (or any other shortening) even from older people. And we live in the deep south, where everyone makes up cutesy nicknames for everything

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April 10, 2017 2:01 PM

I know it's probably not possible to change your husband's stance, but in my experience what constitutes a "likely-to-be-nicknamed" name is really different for our kids' generation than for ours.

My husband is a David, who always gets called Dave by certain demographics (largely men his age and older, especially if they're blue-collar). But even my college students named David go exclusively by the full name, and I would be shocked if a baby David was nicknamed without the parents' permission.

On the other hand, my one-year-old, who has what I would have thought was a pretty un-nickable name, seems to collect and inspire them everywhere we go. Think "Tate", called Tatey by one set of cousins, Tateser by another set, Ta-Ta by some random folks in town, etc.

I really can't pin down what makes a name likely to be shortened. Among my older kids' friends (mostly middle school age), Isabelle is almost always Izzy, but Annaliese is never anything but her full name; Sofia is sometimes Sofie, but Sophia is never Sophie; J@sper is J@ss to his parents but the full J@sper to everyone else, while his brother ₵he$ter is ₵het-₵het to everyone; etc. My SIL thought she had picked a nickname-proof name in Henry, but he gets called Hen. (Her daughter's already-short name also gets shortened to ∟uce.)

I guess where I'm going with this is that if the primary consideration is whether the name is going to be shortened or altered, there's just no predicting, and you may be deeply disappointed if a less-beloved name that you thought wouldn't be shortened ends up getting nicked all the time. If you can possibly talk your husband around (maybe show him this thread?), I would consider cutting only names whose likely nicknames you actively dislike, not just names that might be shortened to something that wouldn't, on its own, bother you.

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April 10, 2017 8:56 PM

I agree completely. He claims to only like the full names and not nicknames of all of the names I listed though. I pointed out the same thing as you too, that ppl are more likely to respect a full name nowadays  and not automatically shorten. He's traumatized by family history with that one though. 

His dad is a Homer Lee lastname IV. When his mom was pregnant with his older brother his dad was pushing hard for a Homer Lee the fifth. She agreed, on the condition that the baby be called Lee and only Lee and never anything else because Homer is an awful name. So that's what happened. Fast forward 20 yrs and Lee decided he liked Homer better and started going by that instead. It eats his mom alive and she refuses to call him that. She has continued to address him as Lee (against his wishes) for 25 yrs. 

My hubby is afraid of becoming his mother lol. He doesn't want to chose a name he loves (with a nickname he loathes), defend it for years against ppl trying to shorten it, to all of the sudden have his Jacqueline decide she actually prefers Jackie and go by that instead

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April 16, 2017 1:52 PM

Ah, there's the rub. The only thing completely out of your control is what the child decides to call him or herself. I think your husband is wise if he hates the nicknames but is already being respectful of his child's decision. Good call.

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April 10, 2017 6:44 PM

I like Caroline! I don't think it would be common at all for people to shorten it to Carrie. It's certainly not a name with an automatic nickname. 

I think Camille is totally different than naming a girl James, it's almost entirely feminine now. I know what you mean about not wanting to give a girl a man's name. And Camille is not a "mans name" even if it has been used on men in the past.

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April 10, 2017 9:04 PM

To me, it sounds like you like classic, feminine and vaugly British names. Below are some that may work out, wish you luck and congrats!!

 

Adelaide, Blanche, Bridget, Beatrice/Beatrix, Corinne, Delaney, Dahlia, Eden, Felicity, Fiona, Georgia, Gemma, Ginny, Imogen, Lenora, Maren, Mallory, Molly, Natalie, Quinn, Ramona, Serena, Tessa, Violet, Veronica

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April 10, 2017 9:16 PM

I'm just going to weigh in on the cultural appropriation thing. Simone in the United States is indeed far more common among black Americans. We liked the name a lot, but with a surname that skews African American as well (think Jefferson), we really seriously considered the extent to which Simone "Jefferson" could be read as an appropriative name. Of course it's not a literal appropriation--Simone didn't originate in Africa. But I don't think that frees it entirely from consideration, given the historical legacy of French colonialism. If we were naming our daughter after a famous black American, that somehow would feel different from using a name that is, undoubtedly, more heavily associated with black culture in the US. Anyway, for me, the appropriation question wasn't one I could write off, and we chose a different name.

ETA: I'm decidedly NOT going to weigh in on the androgynous/masculine name discussion, other than to note that I have one and absolutely love it.

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April 10, 2017 9:55 PM

Same, I have a androgynous name and I did not like it growing up a bit but since a teenager, I have loved it. 

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April 10, 2017 10:39 PM

I'm glad you like your name. Androgynous and male are 2 very different balls of wax though. Avery is androgynous. James is masculine. It's like  that "boy named sue" song in reverse. Having a name that is truly a 100% man's name has been a difficult burden to carry. So much so that I think more and more about legally changing it every year (despite being near 40yo).

 

There are just so many things in my life that have been an endless hassle because of my name. I get my credit cards frozen at least once a month and sometimes am led away by security (clerks think I'm trying to use a stolen card). I was once trapped in an airport in an international airport in a country that i don't speak the language for 2 wks because my passport mistakenly listed me as male and I didn't notice the error until I was already there and customs wouldn't let me through. I had to contact the embassy and it took weeks to straighten out. Meanwhile, I wasn't allowed to leave.  I've been rejected for jobs because ppl thought I was a man ("Your application looks great, but we want a female nanny"). I regularly have applications rejected because ppl think I'm male ("Sorry, this is a women's only softball league." or "This is a women's only gym"). I could go on and on. I always manage to get things sorted out in the end. But having a man's name has added endless hours of unnecessary frustration and hassle to my life. 

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April 11, 2017 2:05 AM

That sounds terrible!  I'm especially sorry about the passport incident.  : (  Have your parents ever apologized?

Do you go by "James," or do you use your middle name or a nickname?  It wouldn't help for legal documents, but for things like resumes and sports leagues, it might be smoother to just write "Jamie"--or, if your middle name is unmistakably feminine, "James Elizabeth Lastname."

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April 11, 2017 9:59 AM

My name isn't actually James. It has a similar feel though. Very masculine. My actual name is even worse because it's a "no nickname" name. So I can't go by a feminine sounding nickname like how you suggested Jamie. And I don't have a middle name. 

:(

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April 11, 2017 1:10 PM

Well, without an existing middle name, it would make changing your legal name a bit simpler--you could either give yourself a very feminine middle name, or even shift your current name to the middle slot. You could still use your given name if you wanted, but you'd have that little bit of legal, paperwork-y evidence that might smooth your road a bit.

If it's something you decide you want to do at some point (after this baby is named, maybe!), there are folks here who have experience with adult name changes, and we've had a number of threads about the topic over the years. My impression is that the name change itself isn't usually too difficult, but changing your name on all your accounts and records can be kind of a hassle. Less of a hassle than immigration issues, though!

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April 11, 2017 4:30 PM

I think it would be worth the hassle of changing all your accounts and records.  "Newname James Lastname" seems like a good route to take, unless you'd rather be free of "James" entirely.  Come consult us about it when you're ready.  <3

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April 12, 2017 9:11 PM

I've often thought about changing my name. The one I like best for myself is Tallulah. It's a little bit quirky. Not common, but not strange. Kind of artsy/literary without being pretentious. Unambiguously female, but not too girly or foofy.  It feels like a goid fit for me. The problem is that years ago i felt like i would never be brave enough to actually change my 1st name, so I gave Tallulah to my dog! Now, with age comes wisdom (and less caring about what other ppl think) and I feel ready to change my name. But now i don't know what to call myself instead

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April 13, 2017 2:12 AM

This should maybe be a whole new thread.  But--

Is your dog still alive?  If not, it won't be confusing for you to have the same name, and people would get over the humorous aspect.  Even if she is still alive, i've heard of people (more than one family) giving the dog their favorite name, then getting pregnant and changing the dog's name so they can give the favorite name to their human child.  If Tallulah (which i love!) feels like you, i think you should claim it.

If Tallulah seems like a good fit but not necessarily The One, do any of these appeal?  They're a bit of a mix; it's a little hard to decide what to suggest based on a single name, so i made the list long, and some of them may be utterly wrong for you.  But I hope something might strike a chord.

Isadora, Aida, Desdemona, Rowena, Ariadne, Phaedra, Scarlett, Beatrix, Genevieve, Geneva, Hermione, Phyllida, Philomena, Lucille, Colette, Twyla, Winona, Aletheia, Clementine, Susannah, Willa, Allegra, Delilah, Leocadia, Linnea, Cleo, Lorelei, Octavia, Ophelia, Xenia, Zilla, Imogen, Cressida, Zelda, Zora, Electra, Cosette, Juno, Rosalind, Calliope, Portia, Astoria, Isolde, Viveca, Persephone, Francesca, Lysandra, Cassia, Zinnia, Viola, Lavender, Ilaria, Nova, Jessamine, Roxana, Daphne

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April 11, 2017 5:24 PM

I do really hope your parents have apologized, profusely, for inflicting this lifetime of confusion on you. I already really, really disliked boys names on girls for the message they send - namely, that boys are better than girls -, but I hadn't even considered your end of the problem. I think we should start referring all those misguided parents who are considering outright-masculine names for their daughters to your post above.

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April 11, 2017 10:31 PM

When I read that Ashton Kutcher and Mila Kunis named their daughter Wyatt i actually physically cringed. It goes so far beyond not liking my name to where it's actually a burden. I would strongly urge any parents considering gender bending to rethink

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April 11, 2017 10:59 PM

Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds saddled their eldest daughter with James. And if you think that's as bad as it possibly could get, their second daughter is Ines. EVERYBODY is going to think that James is a boy with a sister named Ines. There just isn't any other possible conclusion to come to, because it would take a special kind of stupidity to give one daughter a 100% masculine name and the other daughter a 100% feminine name. Turns out, Blake and Ryan are precisely that special kind of stupid. (Or subconciously traumatized: Blake did it to her daughter because her parents did it to her?)

And then there's Jessica Simpson's daughter Maxwell Drew. Yep, both names are 100% masculine. And they call her Maxi. Yes, as in "maxi pad". I know that Jessica is not exactly known for her intelligence, but still.

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April 11, 2017 11:20 PM

Maxwell originates as the name of a salmon pool in Scotland, so neither gender has any inherent claim on it, but it has always been masculine in usage... until nowadays.