Need middle name to honour both parents

Hi 

I am searching for two middle names. One middle will honour my Mum and the other my Dad. My Mum's name is Karen, she has no middle name. My Dad's first name is Peter and his middle name is Ian. I would like to use a variant of Karen and a feminine form or Peter or Ian.

For Karen I have found the following names that could work... Katherine, Kate, Kaye, Katerina, Karin, Katia, Katie, Kayla, Karina, Katalina and I am considering using Karen. 

For Ian I have found... Jane, Jeanne, Sian.

Other names that could work...

Ianthe - Has the name Ian in it

Vivian - Same as Ianthe

Marian - Same as Ianthe

Rhian - Same as Ianthe

Pia - My Dad's initials

What names do you like from these names listed? Which names do you think work as honour names? Have you got any suggestions to add to the list?

Thank you in advance.

Replies

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January 11, 2018 6:10 AM

I think with Lucy as a middle you need at least one longer name and a shorter one to balance,  3 x 2 syllables seem to be choppy,  I think a variation of syllable nos not 2 2 2 and depends how many the last names has too

so Katherine, Katerina, Katalina, Karen, Vivianne, Pia is ok,  Kate, Kayla, Kaylee Evianna - same meaning too  Shavonne, Sinead, Johanna, Jana, Janina, Siobhan, Evanna, Ivanka, Joanna, Joanne, Shauna

others - Petra, Petrina, mikayla, mikaylee

names with Ian in them Adrianne, Adrianna, Arianne, Eliana, Lillian, Bianca, Julianna, Diana, Brianne, Rhianna, Sophianne, Luciana, Audriana, Aubrianne Katrianne, Katrianna, Kayliana, Katiana Kaylian, Kaitrian Karianne Katiana Katriane Kaylianne Karenian  Karianne Ianka - these could be combos of your mums and dads names

Kaylene, Kayla, Kayley, Janette, Janelle, Janene, Janna,Janet, Janae, Kaycee, Kaydee, Kaydence, Kaylani, Kaydell, Kaytlin, Makaylee Katerina, Katalina

Lucy Karen Jean/Jane, Shawna, Sheena, Shavonne would work too or

Lucy Katherine Jane, or Lucy Petrina Karen, Lucy Petra Kaye/Kate

Lucy Karena Petra or Luciana Karen

Lucy Vivianne Kaye/Kate

Lucy Makayla/Makaylee Jane

Lucy Eliana Kate/Kaye

I like the 2 3 1 flow of the names best but 221 is good too or 2 3 2 - have fun with all these choices

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January 11, 2018 8:38 AM

Thank you so much for the suggestions. My favourite is Lucy Jane Karen. I also like Lucy Vivianne Kate (though I prefer the spelling Vivian), Lucy Eliana Kaye.

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January 11, 2018 8:35 AM

What do you think of these name combinations I have come up with?

Lucy Jane Katie

Lucy Vivian Katie

Lucy Rhian Katie

Lucy Pia Katie

Lucy Ianthe Katie

4
January 11, 2018 9:16 AM

I like Lucy Vivian Kate, Lucy Rhianne Kate, Lucy Ianthe Kate

5
January 11, 2018 11:49 AM

What about Carter?  It has the "Kar" from Karen and the "ter" from Peter.

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January 11, 2018 3:23 PM

Thank you for the suggestion. I have added it to my list. I will be spelling it Karter though just to keep the K.

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January 11, 2018 1:00 PM

I don't know if you're discussing names with your parents or if they know that you're planning to honour them. I know that everyone is different -- some don't think it's a true honour unless the exact name is used while others feel like using the same first initial counts -- and maybe you have a sense of what's been done in your family or maybe a parent has said something at some point. All I can offer is my own personal perspective as a Karyn. I must emphasize that I believe that it's the motivation that counts and that the namer gets to choose the honour style that works for them. This is just how I'd feel if I were the honouree. 

I *know* that Karen (and its variants) comes from Katherine, but to me, Katherine (and its variants) feels like a different name. As far as I know, Karen hasn't been used as a nickname for Katherine in the English-speaking world, so they really do not feel like variants on the same name. Yes, of course you can explain the connection to your mother, and I don't know, maybe she'd love it. But personally, I relate more to Kay(e) (the first initial) or a direct variant of Karen (or itself). I do like Kate as a middle name and think that Lucy Kate sounds great, but if it were me, I'd stick do something a little less removed from your mom's name. 

Do you know how your dad feels about his middle name? Does he ever use it? Does he relate to it? I really like the ideas of names ending in Ian, but personally would opt to use his first name if possible. 

My vote goes to Lucy Petra Kay or Lucy Pia Kay.

(I like the rhythm of dad's honour first, but the rhythm of the surname could change that.)

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January 11, 2018 2:52 PM

I would like to strongly echo the above two posters.  I think that if you want to use your parents' middle names to honor them, then do just that.  Lucy Karen Petra is a fine name to respect parents named Karen and Peter.  I think that straying too far from their actual names may just send the message that "hey your names aren't glamorous enough for me" and may actually ruffle feathers rather than honor anyone.  If my name was Peter and someone named themselves Vivianne after me, I'd be HUH?  The whole "oh I got the i-a-n from your middle name" is really not very convincing.

I DO think that Carter as a mash-up of Karen and Peter works beautifully, however. It combines syllables from your parents names very nicely, a clear nod to each in a way that makes obvious sense to the 99.9% of the world who are not name nerds.  You could also get away with Karter.

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January 11, 2018 3:25 PM

Would you feel like Karin is an honour name for Karen?

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January 11, 2018 3:33 PM

As long as your mother doesn't feel strongly about her spelling, then yes, and I think that there's a good chance that someone with the majority/default spelling is unlikely to have given her spelling much thought. However, if someone used Karen as an honour for me, it would be much more like a slap in the face because I've gone my whole life fighting against the assumption that that's how I spell it. I totally agree with you that Karin looks nicer than Karen (again, though, I'm highly biased against Karen) and the honour is 1000% clear.

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January 11, 2018 6:27 PM

if you were going to use Karen - I'd spell it Karen - no other spelling

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January 11, 2018 3:22 PM

Thank you all for your feed back so far. The main reason I am looking for names to honour my parents without directly honouring them with the exact names is because that is how my brother and I were named.

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January 11, 2018 3:32 PM

For some further-afield options, you could look at name origins.

The origins of Karen are rather obscure (there are a lot of competing theories on the origin of the original Greek Αικατερινη (Aikaterine), from the apparent folk etymology of "pure" to a goddess's name to "each of two" to some much less pleasant options), but Peter is a straightforward descendant of a Greek term for "stone". I would therefore consider many gemstone names as possible Peter-honors, or a name like Jewel or Crystal. If his birthstone happens to also be a pretty name, I would consider it a very clear honor.

For a two-fer, you could consider Carnelian (or maybe Carnelia), which sounds similar to Karen and is a semi-precious stone. (Actually, that's a three-fer, since it ends in -ian!)

 

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January 12, 2018 6:54 PM

In general I tend to feel that using the actual name is the best honor, but  that context really changes how I feel about the situation of adapting the names. In this situation, I think that adapting the names is then actually a part of the tradition that you're working with.

I think Pia is absolutely genius for your dad; I think initials are something that people often associate strongly enough with that the connection will be obvious for your father even though it's a different name. I think it's so fun and unusual that your father's name happens to spell out a very pleasing girl's name that you should absolutely go for it. 

On your mom's side, I like Karenina or Karenza as a "little Karen" sort of option. (Karenza is a variant spelling of Kerenza but popular enough to make it into behindthename.com as an entry.)

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January 12, 2018 6:56 PM

(To be clear, Kerenza is a name with a history entirely apart from Karen/Katherine, and it doesn't actually mean "little Karen" - it is apparently coming for the Cornish word for "love"... but it sounds plausibly like a diminuitive of Karen, and I like that it's a clearly containing your mother's name in it so the honor isn't so far removed that it would require explanation that it's an honor name.)

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January 14, 2018 11:19 PM

If your father's initials are PIA and your mother's are KA, you could combine them into Kapia, which is (obviously) made up but very pleasing sounds and works well as a name.  I also like the suggestion above of Karenina, insofar as your father's middle name is Ian.  So you are adding those letters to your mother's name Karen.  Lucy Petra Karenina covers all your bases and is glamorous to boot.  Although I still much prefer Laura!