Rosalie or Scarlett or Evelyn

Hello again,

Ive posted many times in the past- I have daughter Ava Louise and we just found out baby #2 is a GIRL!!!

Looking for input on a few names...

A few things super important to me with this baby’s name is:

-I prefer a longer name (preferably 3 syllables) but two syllables isn’t out of the question. 

-natural nickname that easily stems from beginning of the name (so I don’t like not “Lottie“ for Charlotte, for example) 

-classic and somewhat vintage-feeling 

The top few names are:

ROSALIE - I love NN Rosie or Ro but fear the full name Rosalie it’s a bit too obscure.  I worry a bit when I tell people her name they’ll think it’s kind of “out there” whereas the two names below are ‘safer’. But then I remind myself of the characters I’ve seen on TV/movies with the name Rosalie and it reassures me that it’s NOT too obscure (such as: twilight, sopranos, the girl from Win a Date with Tad Hamilton).  Another worry I have is: will it get confused with other ’Rose‘ names?  Like Rosemary, Rosa, Roseanne....  All I’m all though,  I really do love that the name is super feminine & pretty. I love the NN potential and I think ‘Rosie’ is spunky and fun! And it sounds great with Ava! 

SCARLETT- I love the Gone with the Wind reference and it’s familiar while not in the top 10/overused names. My hang up is the nickname ‘Scar’ —does this have a negative association? I have heard of other Scarlett’s being called Scar, not formally introduced as ’Scar’ but called this informally. (I do not like ‘letti” as a NN... seems unnatural.)  I don’t think it’s an awful nickname but I do like a NN  Ro & Ev better. 

EVELYN- I’ve loved this name for a while, love the vintage feel and how its soft and rolls off the tongue.  But I fear it’s too close to Ava. Are sisters ‘Ava & Evelyn’ wayyy too similar? I want to be able to use the NN ‘Ev’ but my husband sometimes shortens Ava to one syllable ‘Av’.  I guess it’s personal preference— My sister says they are totally different names, different endings, and work well but my other sister says there are so many of the same sounds, and I do agree. But am still tempted to use the name bc of the attachment I had to it.   

I think I have a good list so far but any input would be much appreciated!!








March 13, 2018 12:03 AM

Rosalie is a clear winner to me! I don't think it's too obscure at all and Rosie or Ro are so cute. I agree that Scarlett doesn't have a natural nickname - I think of the same often so I totally get that! And I know a ton of Evelyns, plus it does feel "too" tied to Ava, in my opinion. 

Go for Rosalie! It's so lovely. 

March 13, 2018 1:40 AM

Ev and Av is too close but Av and Evie is nice,  Rosalie and Evelyn are both nice

March 13, 2018 3:10 AM

I think that scarlett flows best Ava but Rosalie is also a very good choice as it is such a pretty name. 

March 13, 2018 10:11 AM


You have a really great short list, and all blend very well with Ava. My least favorite for you is Scarlett because you seemed to have more concerns about it than the rest (and it's also rapidly gaining popularity, which I know is a con for you). 

As for Rosalie vs Evelyn, Rosalie is my favorite, but Evelyn is a very close second. I don't think Rosalie is very obscure at all. It's definitely not popular, but (like you said) it has enough media associations to make it familiar. However, you're probably right about it being confused with other Rose- names. Evelyn does have the exact same beginning pattern as Ava, but I would guess the length difference would be enough to distinguish.....      

The decision should be between you and your husband, but I hope this is helpful.

March 13, 2018 10:32 AM

Very helpful everyone, thanks for the feedback!! 

By EVie
March 13, 2018 12:22 PM

My choice would definitely be Rosalie. No, it's not obscure at all, and anyone who thinks it's "out there" has really been living with their head in the sand! And I don't think it's particularly prone to confusion. Most of the other Rose names are considerably *less* popular than Rosalie, the only exception being Rose. And you're talking about calling her Rosie anyways (which is adorable), so I don't see that as being too big an issue? It's a beautiful name and goes really nicely with Ava.

I love Evelyn, but I do think it's way too close to Ava. I mean, by some etymologies, they're derived from the same root: My personal feeling is that giving each sibling their own, independent name is one of the lowest hurdles in the naming Olympics, but clearly others don't feel so strongly about it!

Scarlett is one of those names that seemed very cool and striking to me back when it was rare, but now that it's gotten mega popular (#18 in 2016) the bloom is off the rose for me. I don't dislike popular names on principle, but I much prefer a perennially popular classic (Elizabeth) or a vintage revival (Evelyn) to a flash-in-the-pan trendy name like Scarlett (look at that spike: That's going to feel very dated in another generation). I also agree with you on Scar not being a great nickname, if you think you'll definitely use the first syllable.

March 13, 2018 1:27 PM

I've always had a soft spot for Scarlett, as it is my mom's name. However, I think it sounds like it is not a good fit for you due to the nickname concern. If having a nickname is important for you, then this sounds like it is just not fitting the bill. I really like Rosalie for you. I agree with others that it is not too "out there" AT ALL. I don't have anything against  Evelyn, but I do feel that it is too close to Ava. 

March 13, 2018 2:55 PM

I'll put in another vote for Rosalie. I don't think it's obscure at all--it was a top-500 name in both the US and UK in 2016, and seems to be on the rise in both countries. It also had pretty steady use for the first century that we kept name stats in the US (1880s-1980s) so it's not the kind of name that people haven't ever heard of, even if they don't know a little Rosalie in their neighborhood.

I like Scarlett, but I think it strikes out on two of your three top categories--no cute nickname from the start of the name, and not really classic/vintage (it basically didn't exist as a given name until Gone with the Wind was published in 1936 and wasn't used in any significant numbers until the 1990s). It's also only two syllables, not your preferred three, so it's the least-good-fit for your criteria.

Evelyn fits your criteria quite well, but I do think it's awfully tied to Ava, both in sound and also because it was such a close second when you named your first. Rosalie gives you a fresh start, without any connection to your feelings about the previous name choice.

March 13, 2018 3:49 PM

I think that Rosalie really is the clear front runner for you. I can't see how anyone could consider it an "out there" name (I met a 9 week old girl named Santa today, that is "out there") and I don't think that it would get confused with other rose names often because it's very easy to hear the difference in most of them. Possibly every once in a while someone will hear Rosemary if it's a conversation taking place in a loud environment or over a poor phone line or something, but many names could be confused in those kinds of situations. Rosie is a really sweet nickname (and you'd/she'd also have the options of Rosa or Ro) and both Rosalie and Rosie sound great with Ava imo.

Scarlett is not a bad name but I think the nn Scar is awful, sorry. Also as nedibes pointed out it's failing to meet all of your preferred criteria so it should probably be eliminated if you're trying to get down to a single name.

Evelyn is pretty but for me would be WAY too close to Ava to use, and far more so once you cut it down to Ev and Av. I suppose if you are pronouncing the first part with a long 'e' (like the beginning of the word evening) rather than a short one and used the nickname Evie rather than Ev it would be slightly better, and ultimately only you can decide what's comfortable for your family, but I think it would be nicer for them to have more distinct names. 

March 13, 2018 6:19 PM

Rosalie is beautiful!  It's my favorite of your options, with Evelyn second (but that's pretty similar to Ava).  I don't like Scarlett much at all.


I don't think the full Rosalie is a problem, but you have run through all the other Ros- options to rule them out?  Rosalind, Rosamund, Rosa, Rose, Roseanne, Rosanna, Rosemary, Rosemarie, Rosalia.

March 13, 2018 6:45 PM

Hello "VMarie999"

A name I was considering for my upcoming baby and I think it is a majestic name, is "Philomela"

I do believe this name fits all three of your 'requirements' (can be shortened to cute names like Phil, Philo, Phik, Phi, etc.)

Anyways, I just thought you should be aware that this is a name [redacted by a moderator]. Best of luck with the birth and all!


other names I might suggest that are long that are kind of old and classy that fit your requirements are Sigmund (like Sigmund Freud, the famous Germ-man from the 20th century just so I'm being clear), Gabriella (High School Musical from 2009), Pamela, Justina, Theodore (Teddy Roosevelt and also a cute girls name), Saquoia (like the tree, i've met a few babies names this and they are SO CUTE), Samantha (derived from the old latin proverbial Well), and Cassius like the Angel

-Shawnie (@BigBobbie)

March 13, 2018 9:17 PM

All of your points are very true!

After reading your replies, I’m more convinced Rosalie really is not very obscure at all.  I especially like comment about just meeting a ‘Santa’... yes that IS obscure. I guess I just prefer a bit more of a popular/familiar name (more where Scarlett or Evelyn fall in the popularity ranking)....   but Rosalie DOES offer evrerything else I’m looking for. Popularity and familiarity can change, but Scar will ALWAYS be the only ”first syllable nickname” for Scarlett. And Ava and Evelyn will always be very similar in sound. 

I’m also open to other name suggestions :) I do have 5 months to decide so feel free to recommend anything you think might fit my criteria. 




March 14, 2018 8:20 PM

Well Scarlett and Evelyn are both very popular (#18 and #12 respectively), so just looking at the top 100 names the ones that seem to me that they match two or all three of your prefered criteria:

Abigail (nn Abbie), Emily/Emilia (nn Em, Emmie), Elizabeth (nn Ellie, Eliza. Elle), Victoria (nn Vicky, Vee), Lillian (nn Lily, Lil), Penelope (nn Penny), Natalie (nn Nat), Eleanor (nn Ellie, Ella, El), Samantha (nn Sam, Sammi), Violet (nn Vi), Lydia (nn Lyd, Lyddie), Vivian/Vivienne (nn Vivi, Vee, Viv)

Looking slightly lower down but staying in the 100-200s (Rosalie is currently #254 for comparison) gets you things like:

Annabel/Annabelle (nn Ann, Anna, Annie), Josephine (nn Jo, Josie, Joey), Cecilia (nn Ceecee), Juliet (nn Julie, Ju, Jules), Jessica (nn Jess, Jessie)

March 14, 2018 10:02 PM

I have a Rosalie who mostly goes by Rosie. We haven't had any confusion over her name and comments are always positive. There are two others we've met in our mid-size city, one who is about 7 and one in her 70's. It's a great name and seems to fit your criteria.

I agree with what others have said regarding Scarlett and Evelyn, though they are nice names they don't seem to fit your criteria as well.

others that might work for you and have been on my own lists; Emilia, Eloise, Eleanor, Lillian, Jocelyn

March 15, 2018 8:07 AM

Lturtle, I’m curious, what inspired you to use the name Rosalie? If you dont mind, which state are you from? I’m wondering how popular this name is by state...

Its nice to know youve gotten positive feedback :) Thanks!

March 15, 2018 6:33 PM

It was just a name I liked. We live in Oregon, I don't think it's terribly popular here. As I said we've met two other Rosalie's that were generations apart. My daughter is 4 btw.

March 15, 2018 2:43 AM

Rosalie is not too obscure at all!  In fact it seems to be perfect for what you are looking for.  And while you didn't say you were looking for other "rose" names, I'd like to flag that Ambrosia is a lovely stealth pathway to Rosie etc.

All that said, I rise in defense of Scarlett as a nickname-friendly name.  Red is an absolutely charming and adorable nickname for Scarlett.  My own daughter - who is NOT Scarlett, by the way  - occasionally goes by Red which also happens to be a family name (yes we are a clan flaming redheads).  It is great fun as a nickname especially when it comes to organized sports.  "GO RED!!!!" on the soccer field etc.  For awhile she had a friend named Scarlett and they loved to be Red & Red together, it was so cute.



March 15, 2018 11:30 AM

 My baby girl is names Rosalie and i havent had any trouble. Only thing with strangers they sometimes act like they don't hear me right or are scared to repeat it? But then they say "aww rose!" So it's ok. The name fits my babe perfectly and all the nicknames are cute. :) Scarlet was on my list as well but sounded a touch harsher. Good luck!

March 15, 2018 2:56 PM

I don't think the issue is that Scarlett is un-nickname-able; in fact, for a different kind of namer I would suggest Rosie as an adorable and intuitive nickname for Scarlett. Ruby would also work in the same vein, or Katie Scarlett to play up the Gone with the Wind connection, plus there are options like Letty and Carly and Sketta from the sounds of the name. 

It'sjust that for folks like the OP who really prefer to nickname by lopping off the ends of names and who want a more girly nickname, Scarlett doesn't have the best options.

March 15, 2018 5:20 PM

Thanks for the reply, but I am really looking for a very natural nickname that is actually apart of the full name. So I would never use Rosie or Sketta or any of the NN’s you suggested Bc they would feel forced and made up out of no where. And then my fear is that I would be dealing with the same problem I ran into when I named my first daughter Ava.. no easy, cute, spell-able, natural nickname. THATS part of why I love Rosalie. Sooo many nickname options. And the name is very sweet and vintage feeling as well. 

March 15, 2018 6:07 PM

Yep, that was my point--those nicknames would work well for some people (so Scarlett would work well for them), but not for YOU, because that's not how you nickname.

March 15, 2018 4:47 PM

I vote for Scarlett. I think that is a beautiful name with good associations from Scarlett Johanson (it's nice for a beautiful person to have associations that the name is for beautiful people). The drawback for your preferences are that there is no real easy nickname. For me that doesn't matter, I would call my daughter Scarlett and just be firm that that is what everyone else call her. I wouldn't worry too much about the "Scar" NN association. I'm sure it can come up, but every name can be teased one way or another. I think of a strong independent person when I think of Scarlett. I like that name more than the other two. Just my 2 cents. Good luck!

March 15, 2018 5:27 PM

Thanks so much for your feedback, Sean!!

I do want to reiterate how important it is to have a natural nickname and not just the full name to use. It led to some name regret with “Ava” bc I wanted to shorten it and couldn’t bc how do you shorten Ava. Even just caking her “A” didn’t stick. Whereas calling her Rosalie “Rosie“ or “Ro” will come so easy. 

March 15, 2018 5:32 PM

I think "nedibes" made a good comment on possible nicknames for Scarlett. I like Rosie.

March 19, 2018 9:15 PM

Just wondering if anyone else has input.. It has been quite helpful so far :)

I’m also open to suggestions (other than Rosalie, Scarlett and Evelyn). 


March 20, 2018 4:39 AM

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others with same meaning - Zoe, Eve, Vivian

March 20, 2018 9:41 AM

My daughter’s name is Rosalie! I will say, I’ve been surprised by how often people think we invented it, and it is frequently misspelled and mispronounced. When we meet strangers, I’d say there is a 50/50 chance they hear her name as Rosie and call her that. Our close neighbors are under the impression her name is Roselyn, and after knowing them a year, I’m not sure how to correct them, lol.

Uh, so, in my experience, Rosalie is not a great choice if frequent corrections would bother you. I don’t really mind it, but I have found it VERY surprising, as I thought Rosalie was a pretty well-known, if fairly uncommon, name.

In terms of your list, I personally would find Evelyn too close. I do love Scarlett for you, it matches the sort of glam factor of Ava but is clearly distinct. But I get the Scar issue for sure!

I want to suggest Vivian, our younger daughter’s name, but I feel that maybe Ava and Viv is a Target brand, haha. Lillian, Katherine, Julia, Colette?

March 20, 2018 10:35 AM

Thanks so much for the honest feedback! This is exactly what I don't want to hear tho :(   However, I think the fact that the NN “Rosie” is very well known and does NOT at all sound made up alleviates some worry about Rosalie being in any way unfamiliar. We plan to call her Rosie often and even introduce her as Rosie at  times. 

I love Vivian but cannot use bc of a conflict w a family member. Lillian is a close cousins name. Thx for the suggestions!!!

March 20, 2018 5:33 PM

I have to say, I'm as surprised (or more like astounded) as you are that people have trouble recognizing the name Rosalie. I can understand asking for the spelling - it could be Rosa-Lee, after all - but mixing it up with Roselyn, Rosie, or thinking it's made up? In what universe is Rosalie a newly-invented name?

March 23, 2018 9:08 PM

I completely agree! I was worried about the Twilight connection, which has been a 100% nonissue. Never expected people to be completely unfamiliar with it!! 

March 20, 2018 9:46 AM

Personally I dont like Scarlett sorry. 

I like Rosalie, you could even go with Rosa. One of my friends is a Rosie and its a cute name itself, but not too good if you dont like nickname names

Evelyn is nice too but a bit more popular than rosalie nowadays


some others: Annalise, Finlay, Lucy, Lara, Zali, Lani, Tyra