Third Boy?

We are newly pregnant with our 3rd baby and I am excited to dust off the baby naming books and dive back in, but really, my husband and I have done this so thoroughly and so recently that I doubt our tastes will change much. With ds #1, I went through the entire SS database and considered every boy name listed for 2012, cut it to about 100 names to share with my husband. 

Further cuts narrowed us to baby Cl@rk Joseph, family mn. 

I basically brought back the same short list for #2 and then asked for your help. We ended up with G3orge Elliott 

http://www.babynamewizard.com/forum/finn

So, if it's another boy, I'm looking for something with at least a 1-syllable nick name or a 1-syllable full name. Or, a short-looking name. Or, it doesn't really matter. Just a name I love that doesn't clash terribly. 

In a fun twist, I love xmas movies and so Cl@rk is named partially in honor of Cl@rk griswold. G3orge is named in part for his great grandpa and also in honor of G3orge Bailey from it's a wonderful life. 

So, super bonus points if I can find an xmas connection!

Some names I love, but dh doesn't: Abel, Gilbert 

Some names that were close runners up the last two times: 

Leo 

Finn 

Samuel (so popular!) But we both really like Sam. 

Some names we considered, but rejected: Oliver, Miles, Everett, Abraham, August, Linus, Hugh, Beckett, Barrett, 

 

WDYT about Ralph? Does it remind you too much of vomit? lol. 

Any other great ideas?

FWIW our girl name is likely still Alb@ Pearl

 

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March 25, 2017 12:05 PM

My knowledge of Christmas movies is highly limited to really mainstream things, so I'm just going to suggest the names that came to mind first, which are Reid and, if you don't mind matching initials, Grant (the Gs don't sound alike, either.)

(Marvin nn Marv from Home Alone? See, very limited.)

I know a Ralph and yes, his name does on occasion remind me of vomit.

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March 25, 2017 3:02 PM

Kevin (Home Alone), Chris (Kringle?), Ignatius nn Nate (this one is out there, but it's in The Year Without a Santa Claus) 

Honestly not a fan of Ralph. 

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March 25, 2017 4:10 PM

If you do go for Sam, it could be partly in honor of Sam the Snowman, who narrates Rudolph :).

You could use Ben or Tim from A Christmas Carol, maybe a character from Charlie Brown—Linus? Jim and Ted are the heroes in Holiday Inn. Or could I interest you in Phil? Groundhog Day is about my favorite Christmas movie, even though it's not, iykwim. And the are a bunch of cool names that can be nicknamed to (or from) Phil: Philip, of course, plus Phileas, Philemon, Theophilus, etc.

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March 25, 2017 5:06 PM

James for Jimmy Durante who narrated Frosty the Snowman?

Phil gets you two holidays in one ;)

 

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March 25, 2017 7:23 PM

Love the movie, but Ralph does remind me of vomit.  The younger brother's name was Randy, but I'm not sure if that's much better.  Perhaps Peter after the actor who played Ralphie?  Ryder?  (I offer that last one as a joke, I really can't advocate anyone naming their child after a gun).

Fred for Fred Gailey in Miracle on 34th?  The son in the Santa Clause was named Charlie, so perhaps Charles?  This one could be a twofer for Charlie Brown.  Bernard was the elf in the Santa Clause.  And that is pretty much the extent of my Xmas movie knowledge.  Too bad my husband isn't home right now, he's the Christmas Movie fan in our family.   

Other not-spefically related to Christmas movies names that I think would work with Clark & George; Walter, Henry, Dean, Stuart.  Oh-Stuart could be for Jimmy Stuart, unless 2 kids for basically the same namesake would bother you. Was Jimmy Stuart in another Xmas movie maybe?

Oh-it just occurred to me, is Alba a Xmas movie related name?  Do you think this will be your last child?  If you think you could possibly still have a little Alba in the future, you may want to consider breaking the Christmas movie link now.  I imagine I'd have felt left out as a child if my older brothers all had a Christmas-y name and I did not.

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March 25, 2017 11:41 PM

Alba is either derived from a Latin word for "bright, white" or a Germanic word for "elf", so it seems very Christmas-themed to me.

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March 25, 2017 11:43 PM

Oh, I just reread the original post and see that it just said "Christmas-themed" not "Christmas movie-themed".

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March 26, 2017 9:17 PM

Ah, that clears that up then.  I think I got stuck on the Christmas movie idea.

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March 25, 2017 10:54 PM

Oh! My Grant suggested above could be for Hugh Grant in Love Actually (though really, pick a name you like and there's probably someone in that movie with that name.) Sam is also in Love Actually! As are Liam/Daniel, Alan/Harry, Colin/Jamie (which makes James a twofer), Andrew/Mark, Martin/John, Thomas and Brodie/Sam, Chiwetel/Peter, Rowan/Rufus, Rodrigo/Karl, Kris/Colin, and a few others. Obviously some names and some characters are better namesakes, but there certainly is a range of names there.

Though I do agree with NAGA about perhaps breaking this Christmas movie trend if Alba doesn't fit the category and you may still have another after this one.

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March 26, 2017 12:08 AM

I am not stuck on the Christmas thing--- it's just a fun coincidence. 

Alba is from the Time Traveler's Wife, which is a favorite book for the two of us. And George is primarily named for my grandfather, so I don't think it's a big deal. 

This is our last kid, probably, so we are just looking for something we like that goes well with Clark and George. We have a long three syllable last name that ends with -ski, so short is helpful. 

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March 26, 2017 7:34 AM

Ralph, Randy, Peter, and Ryder sounds like an adult movie character list. #JustSaying #NotASibSetIRecommend

Kris, Chris, and Nicholas are obvious Christmas choices.

Irving, Bob, Wallace, Phil, Davis (White Christmas)

Tim (as in Tim Burton, Tim Allen, Tiny Tim, and so on)

Charles (as in Charles Dickens) and/or Charlie (Charlie Brown, Charlie-in-the-Box, Charlie Halloran)

Bing, Fred, Jim, Ted (Holiday Inn)

Jefferson, Jones, Felix, Alexander (Christmas in Connecticut)

Max, Augustus, Drew, Stu (How the Grinch Stole Christmas)

Fred (Fred Astaire, Fred Gailey)

Henry, Sylvester (The Bishop's Wife)

Jack (Nightmare Before Christmas)

And Sam is so classic, as you said!

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By EVie
March 27, 2017 7:08 PM

Well, the obvious Christmas choices to me would be Noel or Nicholas :) Gabriel could reference the angel, and Rudolph (Rudy?) the reindeer. My knowledge of Christmas movies is limited, so I'm no help with that angle, I'm afraid.

I was just at the vet with my cats today, and there was a poster in their waiting room about something that "makes Ralph ralph" with a sad-looking doggie on it, so yeah, it does make me think about vomit, unfortunately. The medieval and German/Nordic spelling Ralf doesn't have such a strong association, though, and feels more elegant and continental to me. I am also reminded of the British pronunciation of Ralph as "Rafe," and how I really like Rafe or Raff as nicknames for Raphael. That's maybe getting a bit too far afield from what you're looking for, though. 

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March 28, 2017 12:05 AM

I do like Rafe but I doubt DH will be on board. 

Part of me is wondering if we will just land on Sam. It feels so strange to go from Clark to Sam, simply because of the popularity factor. I was so dead set on unusual names. But maybe I'm getting over that? Or maybe I'll choose a fun middle name. 

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March 28, 2017 4:15 AM

Sam is a name that feels really comfortable and relaxed.  If you want to differentiate him from all the other Samuels, there's always Samson.  It won't matter much while talking--they'll probably all be called Sam--but on paper he'd look different.

Or there's Graham, which is a cookie ("cracker") used to build candy-covered houses at Christmastime.  It rhymes with Sam and matches Clark and George well.

Other posters suggested Tiny Tim, and Tim has a similar sound and feel to Sam.  Timothy doesn't match your older boys as well, but it's not bad.

 I like Finn, too.

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March 29, 2017 9:54 PM

I LOVE Samson and it was my solution to the Sam problem. But my husband is a no go. He doesn't like the biblical story. Same issue with Abel. I LOVE Abel. but he does not like the biblical reference. So many cute names!!! grr. Maybe if we do Samuel I can get away with one of my favorites for the middle. Or I wouldn't mind going left field and picking a fun noun just for the hell of it, last baby and all. 

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March 30, 2017 2:23 AM

Any chance he (and you) would go for Samwise? That was Sam Gamgee's full name in Lord of the Rings. I've always thought it was a cool sounding name and a pretty good namesake.

FWIW, Sam feels more like a classic than a popular name to me.

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March 30, 2017 10:47 AM

Samwise literally means half-wit, and in this case 'means' is the correct verb, not 'derives from', one of Tolkien's many philological jokes. Frankly I can't recommend naming a kid half-wit.

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March 30, 2017 12:41 PM

I'm aware of that derivation, but the average person on the street won't be, and the average Tolkien fan will associate the name with the character rather than the joke, so very few will be bothered. To the extent that it's a "constructed" name I also think it is possible for parents to "construct" their own etymology, e.g. "Sam's wisdom" or similar. I should have mentioned Tolkien's "translation", though.

(Of course, iircc, Tolkien himself was opposed to people naming after characters from his books...I half-recall one of his letters where he complained that people should construct their own names in Sindarin, etc. rather than "borrow" Galadriel and similar.)

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March 30, 2017 12:49 PM

It's not a derivation. It's exactly like naming a kid Dimbulb. When the kid goes to look up the commentary on LOTR, he will find his parents named him the equivalent of Not-Too-Bright, even though the name turns out to be ironic in context. Just not cool.

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March 30, 2017 1:14 PM

Since "sam" no longer means "half" in English it is not the same as naming a child Dimbulb. If the name were Halfwise then it would be sort-of the same.

Even though Tolkien "coined" the name with a particular meaning, that is still just a derivation...once upon a time, someone coined a name that meant lame, but now that is just a derivation for Claudia et al. It's been sixty years since the character's name entered the public lexicon, and already associations and connotations have shifted and accumulated. If not now, then at what point do we say that Samwise is a name in its own right, and "half-wit" is just a derivation?

If the kid looks it up, most of the "meanings" given will, as for all names, be wrong, and mostly along the lines of "Ancient regional Celtic/Gaelic version of 'Samuel' meaning strong and wise." (the "meaning" given in BNW's Namipedia).

And as with all names, the family's story and associations will be the strongest "meaning". There are children out there now with this name (per the stories on Namipedia). For them, I'm sure it does not "mean" half-wit.

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March 30, 2017 1:30 PM

I've changed the Namipedia entry 'cause that was just Too Much. I left the previous contribution at the end, though, for amusement value.

(Fixing the egregiously bad Namipedia entries is one of many tasks waiting for when I get ahold of some mythical objects called "round tuits".)

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March 30, 2017 1:07 PM

The Middle English Dictionary says sām-wīse is a verb meaning 'to lead somebody away'. However, it identifies sam- as a prefix indicating incompleteness or imperfection (i.e. basically the same as modern semi-), and -wise occurs in other compounds with the sense of 'wisdom' or 'way, manner', so in Middle English, "samwise" could be interpreted as "halfway" or "halfwit". Definitely an in-joke, in any case, and not a complimentary one.

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March 28, 2017 10:27 AM

"Just-Sam" is about as popular as Clark, and much less popular than George.

My daughter has a classmate named Samir, which Behind the Name says is a coincidence of an Arabic and a Sanskrit name.

I do think Samuel, mostly called Sam, fits your "set" just fine, and it's really not that popular -- the only Sam(uel) I know is my age. As I keep saying, usage numbers or popularity really don't work any more as predictors of name encounters. (The repeated name at preschool last year ranked around 200th in their birth years.)

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March 28, 2017 2:56 AM

How about Luke?  One syllable, goes nicely with Clark and George, although a lot of the same sounds as Clark it's not too matchy-matchy either.  The Biblical Christmas story is in the Book of Luke, so there's a nice subtle nod to Chrismas. 

Noel?

 

I love Sam, and I think it works great with your other names, too.

 

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March 28, 2017 9:35 PM

What about Louis for the Christmas scenes in "meet me in st louis" or Hugh after Hugh Martin who wrote the song "Have yourself a merry little Christmas" for this movie? I think both names go nicely with your first two boys.

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March 28, 2017 9:40 PM

Sorry I see you have listed Hugh as on your reject list already 

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March 29, 2017 9:55 PM

Yeah, we thought about Hugh but it felt a little stuffy or something. But we often call them Clarky and Georgie and I could imagine a little Huey too :) Although now that I say that it makes me think of Huey, Dooie and Louie. lol. 

I liked Louis too but I worry about Louis and Clark, the explorers. We live in a town that has a big Louis and Clark statue in it. 

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April 11, 2017 12:04 AM

Hmmm interesting. I'm going to ponder. 

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March 30, 2017 1:14 PM

For me locally, Fin is far more popular than Sam, though I know multiple little Sams as well. 

If you do go with just Sam, you could consider going big in the middle spot with my favorite Christmas statement name and do Wenceslas. Not usable as a call name because it is such an incredible earworm, but so much fun.

Also good perhaps good in this context: Casper/Jasper -- it seems to stylistically match many of the other names you're considering, and has the 3 wise men connection.

Rudolph is a favorite of mine. My kids go to school with a little Rudy and it's really adorable! I also recently met a little Noel, and thought that was charming, too, and it's short/sweet like your other kids names!

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April 11, 2017 3:42 AM

Some more suggestions...

Roger, Byron, Arthur, Philip, Harold (Hal), Pierce, Paul, Lewis (with this spelling, to differentiate from the explorer), Ross, Frank, Roy, Troy, Neil, Vance, Trent, Brent, Scott

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April 22, 2017 8:27 AM

I think stay with the 1 syllable names

 

Charles - charles dickens

Noel

Jack - Jack frost

Frank - frankincense

Gabe - from Gabriel

Chris/Claus

Max - grinch stole christmas

Tim, Bob, Fred - a christmas carol

Bert/Sam - a wonderful life

Phil - white christmas

Kris - miracle on 34th

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June 20, 2017 4:24 PM

Here's the latest list I've been pondering... I've kind of given up on the Christmas connection. It's not as important as finding a name I really love or at least that feels pretty good. 

So, as a reminder, I've got a Clark and a George and a long complicated polish last name. 

Here's a list of ideas:

- Whitman (nn Whit). I like it. I don't love that it means "white man"

- Hugo 

- Tate

Ones I like a little bit less: 

- Merritt 

- August

- Arthur

- Franklin

- Archer (nn Archie) 

Names I like, but have rejected because they are too popular

- James

- Samuel

- Nate/Nathan/Nathaniel

- Finn

- Leo

I've also been thinking about Wal- names like Walter or Wallace. Not sure about that. 

My DH doesn't love the following: Gilbert, Arlo, Samson, Anton

I don't have a strong need to use any particular name for the middle, so I've been toying with doing repeating initials just because it's fun. "Tate Truman" "Whitman Wallace" "Hugo Hamilton" Ha! maybe not. lol 

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June 20, 2017 4:34 PM

I love Hugo with your other two sons' names! 

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June 20, 2017 10:57 PM

You said you liked and rejected Finn because too trendy..... I'm not a fan of Finn because I think it sounds like a fish part!  But Flynn totally would have been on my boy name list if it hadn't sounded ridiculous with my last name. There is also Flint and Finley.  Seriously, Clark, George, and Flynn/Flint are a handsome trio.

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June 20, 2017 11:08 PM

Me, tooooo!!!  Clark, George, and Hugo make a fantastic set!  And i like Hugo very much for itself, too, not just for how it matches his brothers' names.

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June 21, 2017 8:15 AM

stick with 1 syllable like the others

 

Hugh  Tate  Todd Dean 

Sean Jude  Frank

Nate Finn Flynn

Scott  Heath  Jack

Jake  Dean  Vaughn

Keith  Noel  John

Rex  Troy  Paul

Lance Neil  Ned

Max  Mack  Rhys

Ross  Wayne Rhett

Floyd Lloyd

 

 

 

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June 21, 2017 10:35 AM

One of the reasons i like Hugo is that it *isn't* one syllable. Just because the first two are, that doesn't mean that the third needs to be. Clark is short and crisp, George is more like 1.5 syllables and soft. A short but two syllable name like Hugo bridges the two and makes it a more interesting set. 

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March 12, 2018 12:45 AM

Super late update -- we had the baby, it was a girl! Alb@ Pearl 

We narrowed down to either Finn, Samuel or Leo had it been a boy and I honestly don't know which we would have chosen. I'm thankful I didn't have to pick! 

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March 14, 2018 12:14 AM

Thank you for the update! I love that you finally got to use your girl name, "third time's the charm" style. :)

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March 14, 2018 12:42 AM

I don't like Ralph - it does remind me of vomit as well as the Simpsons.

You might like:

Albert/Al

Grant

Graham

Milo

Eli

Ellis

Max

Hugo

Arlo

Otto

Noel (Christmas connection)

Nicholas/Nick (Christmas connection)

Brett

Lionel

Dean

Lucas/Luke

Henry

Reed/Reid

Oscar

Owen

Cole

Ray

Nathan/Nate

Philip/Phil

Glen

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March 14, 2018 12:43 AM

oops just saw the update - congrats!