Veronique is here

Didn't post under announcements because that should be for new parents, I think.

Heard from our Israeli family that new granddaughter is here!

As much time as I spend on this board and love names, I don't think I've ever seen/heard Veronique before.

A quick look on behindthename tells me that it's French Veronica (yes, I assumed this) and that it is related to Vera and Bernice. The meaning is something like "brings victory."

Veronique's big brother is Victor. Even though some are not crazy about same initials for siblings, I kinda like how they have sort of the same root connection. At least it's not Victor/Victoria! And I don't think the parents were being lazy about it.

I'm still saying it out loud and listened on Forvo for pronunciation. I can hear it in my mind and spell it, but doesn't come out of my mouth properly for some reason.

What do you guys think of the name and the connection to her brother?

Negativity won't hurt my feelings; I didn't name her. Would love her even if she had a "stupid" name I hate! Oh, and she is so cute! Only less than 48 hours old and gorgeous; I've been around enough babies to know that their "beauty" doesn't come that quickly sometimes.

Thanks for letting me babble. Although I love participating, it's really fun to have my own stuff to share.

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November 21, 2016 8:46 AM

Congratulations! I like it. It's unusual but not weird. While I personally think Victor is too close as I'd trip over the names, they do sound nice together.

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November 21, 2016 11:12 AM

Congratulations!

I have heard Veronique before, but I can't place where...I want to say maybe an 80s teen movie or TV show, like she was the French exchange student maybe? Anyway, it sounds very chic and sophisticated to me. I have a terrible time with those French Rs, so I'm sure I would have a hard time with the pronunciation outside my head, too.

I kind of like alliteration in the abstract, on other people's children, when I don't have to worry about any practical difficulties ;-). This set is fun to say together, for sure! Do they pronounce Victor like the English word, or more like the French?

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November 21, 2016 1:23 PM

Hum, had to go back to Forvo to hear Victor in French which sounded to me like Victor with a French accent.

My stepson's native tongue is Hebrew. His wife is from Bulgaria but has always had ties in Israel, so fluent in both. When speaking English, they both have heavy accents. So when they say Victor, I hear it like we would say it with an accent.

They also call him Vicky a lot. I told them if they were in the US, they might get looked at funny - especially in my region. When asked what nn Americans would use, I actually had to think for half a second before his other grandmother and I said VIC. To tell the truth, there, another world away on a kibbutz, Vicky isn't that weird to me.

Haven't talked by phone yet, but I'm sure their version of Veronique is several times more elegant than mine.

My partner says he's going to call her Roni or Voni.

If they visit us, calling them Vicky and Roni might send some people over the edge!

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November 21, 2016 1:40 PM

Long ago when I began my teaching career in West Virginia, I had a student named Vickie (full legal name).  He was a great tall strong football player, so I don't imagine that anyone had anything to say about it.  He was the youngest of thirteen children, and I always wondered if by that time his parents had a case of naming fatigue.

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November 26, 2016 6:52 PM

Miriam, going off topic:

Since I've been lurking this sight, it occurs to me you and (whatever I call him - Veronique & Victor's grandfather) have similar parallels to you.

Many years in NOLA. He wasn't there, but had people affected by Katrina. In fact, we still have friend living with us who's really never financially or mentally recovered.

Although not Jewish, his Jewish son and his family.

Now - both his parents were from WV AND we know a male Vicky/Vickie!

Weird!:)

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November 26, 2016 7:30 PM

Weird!  But there is a lot of weirdness in the world.  For example, a very dear friend of mine who went to school with me in my SE PA hometown and my brother-in-law from Hattiesburg MS are both descended from the same pioneer settler.  They both had family members who were genealogy buffs and who laid out the family tree.  My brother-in-law was descended from the youngest son who was born in the colonies and who eventually moved to the VA-NC border country where they stayed until the 20th century, and my friend was descended from one of the older brothers who was born in the old country, and that branch never moved from PA.  And they both have a minor hereditary condition.  Go figure!

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November 22, 2016 5:14 PM

Congratulations! I think this is a really stylish sibling pair. I'm perhaps a little extra fond of Victor, as it is my partner's name, but Veronique has always been much my preferred version of that name. Somehow it keeps all the chic and skips all the Betty and Veronica feel I get from its English counterpart. I would personally use Vero (pronouncing it Veh-ro and not tying myself into too many knots with the French r) as a nickname, but of course that's up to the family. :) Ronnie has a certain WWII victory rolls charm as well. Enjoy her!

And yes, beauty is elusive with some newborns (not mine, of course ;-) ). I'm spending a lot of time recently at baby yoga and in pediatricians' waiting rooms, and I'm discovering that many babies need more than a few days to start being bright eyed and squishable!

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November 26, 2016 3:28 AM

Oh, congratulations, iel nna! How exciting, and I can't believe I missed this announcement until now!

I think this is a very stylish sibling pair. While I might myself trip up occasionally with a shared initial (it is hard for me when my J-named siblings come to visit and I get super tripped up with my J-named son), here I think the nicknames provide nicely straightforward distinction for those who, like myself, need it. Really, the names are quite different from each other in many ways in spite of the shared starting initial, and I think it's a fantastic pairing. And Veronique is a great choice - unusual, distinctive, but not unheard of.

I think beauty is indeed elusive with some babies. While my children are/were bright-eyed and squishable, I would be lying if I denied that the ones I gave birth to also bore an uncanny resemblence to Winston Churchill in the early months (only more jowled and more rotund, frankly). Adorably so, of course... but also a bit ungainly and awkward, too.

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By EVie
November 26, 2016 3:58 PM

Haha, our kid as a newborn was a dead ringer for Wallace Shawn--facial expressions and all. Though there are some very cute photos when he was sleeping. 

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November 28, 2016 12:26 AM

Hee hee. Thank you for the amazing visual, EVie - just as good as a photo in allowing me to imagine your child!

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By EVie
November 28, 2016 1:57 PM

Fortunately it only lasted for the first few months! He was very cute by two or three months after his face filled out, and now he is a very handsome little boy, if I do say so myself. ;) I think my husband was a little worried for awhile, though! (Also, he was totally terrified right after birth--blue, cone-headed, scrunch-faced). 

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November 28, 2016 12:02 PM

When Baby YAY was born, I kept thinking he looked familiar...finally figured out he looked like Don Rickles. I remember thinking at the time that "What old man does my baby look like?" should be a meme.

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November 23, 2016 4:48 PM

Congratulations! I'm perhaps in a somewhat unusual position on this forum in that I'm surrounded by both French and Hebrew speakers on a daily basis. I know several Victors with Israeli (and/or Moroccan) roots and in their accent it tends to sound something like VEEK-tore, with the r rolled in the back of the throat. So, in my mind, saying Vicky with an Israeli accent yields more veekee than vih-kee. 

Veronique (well, Véronique), is not an uncommon name in my parts. I know several my age and pretty much all go by the nickname Véro, vay-ro, though some anglophones do have the name and use the anglicised pronunciation, veh-roh-neek instead of (umm) vay-roe-nihk.

While the names are too close for me to use both, in their accents I suspect that the first vowels sound more different when the parents say them than they do when you say them :)

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By EVie
November 24, 2016 3:21 PM

Congrats! Veronique is lovely. My and my sister's middle names are actually Victoria and Veronica, so they feel like a very natural pair to me :) (And yes, our first names start with the same initial too, and no, it hasn't had any negative effects on our lives).

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November 27, 2016 3:58 PM

Thanks to all of you regulars who responded.

It's really hard to talk on the phone because of partner's schedule and time difference. Hopefully, we will talk this week and hear how they actually pronounce Veronique. Will update if they say something not already touched upon.

I intend to thank them for giving her a name that is neither weird or too ordinary in which to share with my virtual friends on BNW!

I remember some time back when a parent was really upset about naming baby Vera because of a really stupid reason and different pronunciations. I knew a Vera whom I pronounced Ver-ah and some others pronounced Vair-ah. Both were acceptable to me, but most importantly to her.

Even though I pronounce Vera Ver-ah, I think Veronique is Vair-oh-neek. I can't quite get the "nigk" part, Karyn! I can hear it, but can't say it!

And to the parents of the not-immediatly-beautiful, perhaps they will one day have a great arts career or help save the world from Nazism. We need both.

 

 

 

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November 28, 2016 1:30 PM

"And to the parents of the not-immediatly-beautiful, perhaps they will one day have a great arts career or help save the world from Nazism. We need both."

You're so right. I love this community.

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December 5, 2016 8:09 PM

Finally spoke with Veronique's dad last week.

He said there is a custom that the name just sort of "comes to the mother." Now, these people are not religious, but I assume living almost their entire lives in Israel, they know something about this.

Do different types of Jewish people have different rules on this sort of thing? Calling Miriam and Karyn...

He said that his wife came up with it not long before birth. He also said that she being originally from Bulgaria, French or French-like names are rather common. He was not even aware that the Veronique meaning was related to Victor.

The thing that they recognized is that the "t" in Victor is like the "t" in Nitzan and that mom Teddy or Tedi - full name Theodora and Veronique are similar?

He doesn't do well at writing in English, but says in Hebrew, you can get the connection? Miriam? Karyn?

Anyway, everyone is fine. When Victor's teacher announced that he had a sister and asked what her name was, another little boy said "what kind of name is that?" Well, Victor answered by punching the kid.

We don't believe in violence, but did chuckle a little!

 

 

 

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December 5, 2016 8:31 PM

I am most familiar with Ashkenazic naming traditions. Jews from other parts of the world (North Africa, the Middle East, Yemen, Ethiopia,etc.) have varying traditions with which I have only limited familiarity.  Plus after the foundation of Israel in 1948, many Israelis dropped traditional naming practices and developed new types of names and naming.

I don't understand the paragraph above on 't'.  The t in Victor does not represent the same sound as the t in tz (Nitzan).  The two sounds are represented by different letters in Hebrew.

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December 5, 2016 11:41 PM

I could very well have missed something crucial on the name part. His accent is heavy and I'm hard of hearing. Maybe I misunderstood and he was talking about the English spelling.

It's hell getting old!