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I totally agree, but want to add that sometimes Miriam's posts can read as unnecessarily pedantic and verging on rude. I'm not sure this is the best example.
But I've felt this a few times and brushed it aside because I value her knowledge and contributions more than I find myself off-put by her tone.
Miriam, it would make me, personally, feel a lot happier if you put more effort into expressing kindness and sympathy alongside correct knowledge.
My guess is that it's in part a matter of tone, which can be difficult to express and to interpret in online communication. I suggest we all re-read our posts aloud before submitting them. Perhaps imagine that you're writing to someone you respect and who is important to you. Or to yourself when you were trying to balance her deep knowledge and interest in names with the demands of family, culture, and the inner critical voice when pregnant.
I am currently reading what I've written aloud to ensure that I'm expressing my criticism constructively. I deeply value all of the contributions of regular posters here and Miriam's most of all, I have to say. I hope you all read this in that spirit.
It has recently struck me as rather amusing that French renders names like Daniel and Emanuel feminine by basically rendering the final syllable elle, i.e. "her", given the Hebrew meaning of -el as g-d.
I mean, I understand it (NOT looking for a lesson about how names don't really have meanings) but I just find the Hebrew-French mash-up kind of amusing and wonder if those fluent in Hebrew and French agree. Like "the meaning" of the units of Danielle in Heb-rench add up to something like "She is my judge." and in the case of Emanuelle, "She is with us." Like in feminizing -el, they're feminizing g0d.
These are the sorts of things that I didn't notice for years, but once I started to think more about names made me laugh. Anyone else with me?
We used the coin toss. Also calling the baby by each name for a day and then figuring out which we were happiest with. Also, write out the full name and consider which looks nicer.
Yay African-American babies and African-American sounding baby names!!!
(Also I didn't know that Mormon namers also went in for La- and Da- names. That's interesting.)
I agree that Sonora looks really nice, and it reminds me of sonorous. Lovely.
A word of caution about syllable+Nora names, though. I met an Annora the other day, and I misheard her name as Nora. "Oh, hi Nora," I said. Her big brother, in a very exasperated tone, said, "For the hundredth time, its AN-Nora." So there's that. I think being one syllable shy of a common name can be less unique and more a pain in the tuchus.
The problem with Selah for me is that I know it can be pronounced SEE-luh, so the SAY-luh spelling isn't intuitive. No biggie, though.
So... What's my suggestion then?
I think go for Sonora (that spelling rocks in my humble opinion) or Selah if you love them. Other ideas:
Naima (I think it's a variant of Naomi, but you might want to look into it).
Anokhi (Hindi for "unique," but when I thought about naming my daughter this, people thought it sounded like an African name).
Amalia (actually European, but I know Amalis and people with similar names who hail from Muslim countries, so there is a hint of international flavor that takes this name beyond Europe for me).
I think it's very important to keep in mind that Turkish is not pronounced the way English speakers would expect. For example, I know someone named Isil. The first I is the kind without a dot on it, not a letter known in English. Her name is pronounced roughly to rhyme with the word bushel. I really don't think you can just post Turkish names without pronunciation guides and expect English speakers who don't know Turkish to be able to know whether they "sound good" or not.
Viatrix! Now there's an awesome name! Someone, please name your daughter this.
A mon avis, yes, way too similar. Sorry!
Fantastic data analysis!
When naming my child recently, I tried to be different by going for popular. (And yet I still find myself annoyed when others use this consistently common name).
I personally love it. And it's significant to your family, so I'd say go for it!
I totally agree with the others, but just wanted to leave you with my first thought, which was that you should consider the name Maura instead. It's but a dipthong away from Mara, but more in keeping wiht the Scotch/Irish heritage. I really love the name.
So now we can ask, rather than have they painted themselves into a Hebrew letter or Kaballah-signicicant corner, have they painted themselves into a starts-with-A corner?
Dear lord. What are we coming to?
Oh thank effing Chr!st! I was so freakng out that they would choose both my hpyotehtical son's name and my actual daughters' name.
And, to be honest, I was also kind of crushed that you all didn't intuitively get how upsetting that would have been to me. The existential uncanny unheimlich feeling of having one's secret name that one dreamed up used by someone famous, and then to have it suggested that htey might also use one's acutal daughter's name! Imagine! For a name lover like me, the possibilty was profoundly, if clearly irrationally, upsetting.
Amalia means nothing to me, so I'm good with that one. PHEW!
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Should read Philips. Not possessive.
I think your enthusiasm for the name (I would say and your pregnancy brain, but I find the latter idea implicitly misogynistic, even though I experienced the debility myself) may have clouded your internet posting sensibility. You've posted the same exact post three times across two threads. You also should probably have used some kind of masking, like numbers or symbols in place of certain letters, if you don't want your future son's unique set of names to be permanently web-searchable and associated with this site.
That said, great name and congratulations. May he wear it in good health. If he does end up being a he.
PJ, that reminds me of naming in teh British and colonial boarding school environment. Or the gentlemen's context in the PJ Wooodehouse world. Finknottle and whatnot, although I think that example was just the character's last name. I was just watching the BBC mystery Endeavor, in which the main character is named Endeavor Morse, but just goes by Morse. His Oxford friends know him as Pagan because, in effect he doesn't have a Christian name.
Concurring with other that we need more info in order to come up with suggestions. Your names are nice to know, but we'd have to also know how you feel about them. They sound really nice to me. Do you want something of a similar style? Could you describe what sort of style you feel your names to convey?
I love Susannah and agree with the others on their suggestions.
Just for my own curiousity, would you pronounce it with the European long aaah sound or the more American Anne-ah sound?
I love the idea of Elisabeta too. But I wonder how that would be pronounced by your average everyperson on the street in podunk USA. Not that you necessarily live in Podunk, USA or that we should let its citizens dictate our naming choices.
That sounds really good! That's one of the many shows that I've been thinkng I should follow but haven't gotten around to. What did the couple decide about the name? I hope for selfish reasons they went with it. I personally want more DeVantes in the world and fewer Donalds (even if the DeVante in question is fictional).
Well, those of you who remember what I named my daughter will understand how particularly miffed I'd be if miss Herschlag used one of the names mentioned above. ARG!