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Maxfield Jonah - Max
My mother in law discovered she was named for an Emma Maxfield while doing some family history research about a month ago. I was immediately inspired. We both loved Max for Sam and Luke, but had no real connection to the name. Now I get to tell him he was named for his grandmother (though I guess technically his great great great aunt) and great grandmother.
If only I could get the 3 older boys to stop calling him Fieldsy. :)
I'm surprised most people associate Greer as feminine. I was doubly surprised the book and the website list it exclusively as a female name. I have only ever known male Greers and think it is a fantastic male name. Of course I grew up in the south where surnames, mostly maiden names, were given almost exclusively to boys until about 15 years ago.
I am aware of Ms Garson, but thought she was given her mother's maiden name as one of her middle names and only used it once she got to hollywood.
Thanks for the quick and thoughtful replies. This has eased my mind and made me think maybe we are overthinking it. I'll talk to him again tonight, but I'm comfortable with our choices again.
I can't believe neither of us noticed Jonah and Hannah had the same ending. I just kept focusing on the letters being there in the wrong order. That makes the connection a little more obvious. We also don't tell anyone the names before hand so it shouldn't feel like an "add on" meaning to a name we had already choosen. It certainly works for us as an honor name for both.
Of course, I still might bring Theodore back up. It's a name we have considered for all of our pregnancies, but never used.
Or I might just do a royal family thing and give this child like 8 names. :)
My brother's names is Wesley called Wes. So the name is all boy to me. I am also in the camp of not liking boys names for girls. There are great female names out there and you've gotten some good suggestions so far. People on this site are very good with suggestions if there are other names or namesakes you'd like to bounce off of them.
All that being said, if that's what you want to name your daughter, go for it. There will be some confusion probably but she and you will learn how to handle it.
Both are great names.
I personally love Casey for a boy. He could always be "Case" if he wanted to something more "manly" during his teen years or CT. I also think it is very sweet to name your little boy after his grandmothers. I'm currently trying to do the same. It's an underused idea.
I've always waited to meet my babies to name them, so I think this is a great strategy. If you wanted the name decided on, is there one you would be more sorry to not use if you don't have any other sons?
If Gregory is a name you can both agree on, I would use it. Or perhpars Gregor.
I come from a large family and one of my 1st cousins has his mom's (and my) maiden name - Blake - as his first name. He's never been teased about his name. It's just considered a family name.
I second this.
My brother is also in a long line of Williams. He has always gone by his middle name. It was never really an issue. The occasional phone call when you had to clarify which William is about it. But as others have said it's a great way to screen marketing junk when we were younger as they are no longer in the same house. He plans to do the same thing to his son. William Callname Surname
A friend of mine goes by his middle name and hates it. But there is no tradition behind his name they always planned to use his middle name as his call name. When the subject comes up he gets annoyed and brings up the whole "if you wanted me to be X, why didn't you name me X" thought.
Your original compromise seems best in this case. But, I do like honoring the first born regardless of gender for you, as well as the nickname Wilson.
I second this. Macsen is a great name and really seems to be the best of both worlds for you.
On a side note, we thought of using this for one of ours as well, for almost exactly the reasons stated above.
As others have said, Francis to Frank is probably one of the least known traditional nicknames and certainly not a given. Henry to Hank is propably the next closest example. I know plenty of little Henrys that are never called Hank. Frans is a great idea if you want a substitute nn handy.
I relate to your husband. I could never get anyone to call me Elizabeth; it was always shortened somehow, despite my objections. This is absolutely more common in our generation and up. In my experience kids today are named with a nn in mind Eleanor to Ellie or Ezekial to Zeke with their full name never being used. Or they go by their full name all the time, Thomas, Catherine, James, etc. My oldest is John. People my age and up were interested to know what I was going to "call" him, expecting everything but John. To him and his friends its completely normal that his birth certificate name and his call name are the same.
So go with Francis if that's what you love. If you call him Francis, 99% of the population will too. And for the 1%, a quick correction is usually all it takes. Frederick nn Fred is a great choice too. I feel like Fred would be tougher to ward off though. Not impossible but tougher. I also knew a Frederick nn Derick if that interests you, but it doesn't seem like nn are your thing.
I know plenty of Beaus and Bos who have Robert on their birth certificate and only one switched to Robert - in college. In my world, it's a pretty traditional nn for Robert so switching back and forth makes sense. Either way he can't go wrong.
I also grew up with a few Griffins, both older and younger. I was born in the mid 80s. So Griffin is absolutely a first name to me.
Beau & Griffin and Robert & Griffin both sound like a great sibset to me. Beau & Griffin feels a little more western/cowboy and Robert & Griffin a little more traditional. Just my take. Robert and Griffin also sound right to me because there is a famous football player Robert Griffin III, who is currently the QB for the Browns. Not sure if you were aware or care about that, but something to keep in mind.
I think he secretly wants Eli to be longer but won't admit it. He is big on nn and I suspect Eli feels incomplete to him.
I think Eli can stand on its own. Plus it's part of my father in law's name who was named for his grandfather. Both just Eli. If we lengthened it it would just be for the heck of it. I do love Elijah and Elias though. My FIL is Eli McC@llum but he's always gone by Callum or usually Cal.
The front runner for my husband is currently Nicholas Jonah called Cole. He thinks Cole is closer to Cal and makes more sense as an honor name since his dad has never gone by Eli. He also knows I'd love to honor my grandmother Ona. All of which makes perfect sense to me and I find really sweet.
It's definitely a 1a 1b situation for both of us. Cant really go wrong either way. We will wait to meet him and see what fits. Of course last time we went in with Matthew or Daniel and left with a Lucas. So who knows.
Go for Pippa if that's what you love.
I use a nn with no connection to my first name and it gets confusing for things like resumes and credit cards or going to the doctor. To me those are minor inconveniences that come up so rarely it doesnt bother me. I've been called both my entire life, so I feel connected to both. That probably helps me, but I know plenty of people who identify as both. My brother uses his middle name exclusively but if someone says his first name he turns because that's his name too. It can go either way.
If you are still unsure, I second the idea of waiting until you meet her. I know that's helped me with mine.
Some excellent suggestions so far thanks! At first honoring a female was a nice idea but with so many good names (and great women) I'm thinking I may try harder to do that even if it is a loose connection.
Grandma Emma Catherine has put her foot down regarding any grandchildren being named Emmett. We aren't crazy about the name either. Grandma Debi has no strong feelings towards her name and I think would prefer we honor her mom Ona.
Aunts Molly and Maggie are actually Mary and Margaret though never called that. He's already ruled out Mark, but I may bring Matthew back. I also really like Everett called Rett. Aunt Adelaide is always Addie so I like Adam as an option.
There are two Eleanors - Nora and Nell, which was sort of the inspiration for Nicholas.
Teresa was always Tess so we've toyed with Jesse. I'd like all the boys to have their own initial but not a dealbreaker. There are also several Wes's in the family so that could be a twofer too.
Catherine has always been a middle name, so no Kit, Kitty or Kat. But I really like Christopher called Kit as well.
Really digging Graham called Gray. We would stick with that spelling since it's also a maiden name. Around here it's pronounced like gram. But I think we could train people to pronounce it the other way, especially with the nn Gray. It wouldn't bother me if we couldn't get people to switch though since "gram" is well established in the family and he would probably be Gray 99% of the time anyway.
Abram or Abraham called Bram is great too. We prounounce Deborah as Debra so I think it works too in terms of an honor name.
Jonah is an inspired choice! It finally occured to me to use the namefinder with the letters "ONA" as well. I don't know why I didn't think of it before. Most have the letters but not the same sound. Jonah wins on both. I'm still feeling out Jonah as a call name or perhaps Joe. Both feel pretty close to John to me and have the repeating initial. I've always thought we would use Owen to honor Ona, but we already have John. Could I do Owen as a middle name? Pairings for either as a middle?
The current leader (for me) is Eli Charles. Eli for husband's dad and all the EL names. Charles for my dad's middle, grandmother Charlene, and great grandfather Charles. Plus same initials as grandma Emma. A lot of birds with that stone. :) Eli also seems to "fit" with his brothers more so than the others. I know they aren't a set long but in my mind they always will be. Husband is just so so on Eli though.
Side note: the nickname Sterling doesn't really bother me, because I watch the show too and his peers won't be familiar with it. If it could stay a special dad nickname (he has one for all the boys), I'd be fine but I know these things can have a life of their own. I love Archer/Archie, but I don't know if I could raise a "Sterling" full time.
I live in a Carter/Colton pocket and know several of each. I'm pretty sure there is a Carter in all of my boys' grades or activities. All of them are under 10. Of the 4 Coltons I know only 1 goes by it - 2 Coles, 1 Colt, 1 Colton. Both are great names and obviously other people think so too.
As many people will point out popularity is not what it used to be. With an older child, you should be aware of the naming trends in your area. I'm just in the Carter/Colton part of the world. We have very few Henrys or Liams or Noahs.
For me the ending would be more of a concern than popularity. My two oldest - John and Ben - get mixed up all the time, even though their names aren't really that similar. They are used to it and if you choose Colton I would guess your boys would too. You could always use any of the nicknames if that is a big concern for you.
You can name him Miles and your husband could call him Milo for a nickname. We toyed with this for one of our boys for similar reasons and to give him options as he aged. We didn't end up using the name but I still love the combination. I also like Jack and Beau for you if you need a boys name after all.
Nova Elise is fantastic. Nova Rae to me sounds like a cartoon bad guy or weapon he tries to create. Just my opinion and since middle names are rarely used, hardly a dealbreaker. I like Emmaline Louise as well.
I have a Benjamin - called Ben. So, I think it's a great name :)
My Ben has never had another Ben in his class at school. However, he has 3 brothers and between scouts and sports - there is always another Ben around, including his older brother's best friend - Bennett. It's not an issue for us, though. Ben, and the rest of my kids, don't seem to mind sharing their names with others.
I call mine Hawkeye when I need to get his attention in public and there are other Ben's around. His full name is Benjamin Pierce Lastname, so we nicknamed he after the MASH character. He loves it and would probably switch full time (much like the character) if we let him. Point being, you may find a random nickname that works for your Ben as well if need be.
Nicholas nn Nick or Cole is a great suggestion if you still aren't sold on Benjamin.
I'd like to suggest a friend of mine's daughter's name: Livie, pronounced LIV-ee. Or just Liv like Liv Tyler. This would allow you to use Eleanor as a middle name, which features the 2 vowels that you want. If she wants to change her name later, this would give her a world of options to choose from - Ella (Different enough from Ollie, who might prefer Oliver later), Nell, Nora, Lana, Lena, etc, etc.
I think Liv(ie) Eleanor is pretty and matches most of the criteria you are interested in: honors uncle LV, allows for tons of potenial name changes if desired, uses dad's favorite name and could still answer to Elvie if so desired.
I will also add this is a happy, helpful place. I joined when looking for a name for my 4th and couldn't stay away.
I like Cosmo. I even suggested it to my husband for our sons. He was not a fan.
I had never heard of Jago, but given it's history and usage near you I like it.
The only Viggo I am aware of is the actor. Seems like a fine name, but not to my taste. Especially since it is a nickname.
My grandmother was named Ona. I would have used it as a first name if I had girls, but all boys for me. I've always loved the name and am sad I didn't get to use it. I think Eleanor Ona works well - especially if you have a 2 syllable last name. My grandmother was Ona Elizabeth, so that flow is very familiar to me. :)
I, too, am confused where the offense comes from. The consensus was "it sounds made up even though we know it's not". Which could be true of lots of names.
I also stated on several occasions I was soliciting opinions for my own curiosity. I would never try to influence someone else's name choice. My SIL asked me for suggestions. I offered them, end of story. I've named all the children I'm going to but I still like to discuss names and their impressions, something this board allows me to do politely and respectfully.