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I think Emilia is great sister name for Charlotte. We actually just named one of our twin daughters Emmel1ne Ch@rlotte. So far we haven't called her Emma or Emmy, but we might- honestly, there's a lot of "has that one had her diaper changed?" I find it feels weird to use your babies' names for awhile, but with a young toddler (who was "the baby" until last week) and newborn twins, "the baby" is not descriptive enough! Anyway, good luck with everything!
I've spent a fair amount of time in Indiana, and I would at least consider your feelings about the state (if any) in choosing that name or a name that sounds like it. Personally, I wouldn't choose Indiana or Indie Anna based on my knowledge of the state alone (sorry, hoosier friends, I know many of you are wonderful people!). Maybe Google governor Mike Pence, although of course he won't be around forever. I know your reasons for considering Indie Anna are not related to the state of Indiana, but that is the association most people will have.
Thanks all! Just to clarify, the only actual family name in the mix is Margaret. Although one of my grandfathers was Raymond, he wasn't really a worthy namesake for Ramona, and we consider the name to be in honor of my husband's late father, Robert. (As Ashkenazi Jews, my family considers the first initial to be good enough.) Similarly, Charlotte or Cora would be in honor of my grandmother, Cecelia.
I also forgot to mention that both girls will be getting my last name (very similar to Zalman) as a second middle. We did this with our son and even though it makes for really long full names, it's important to me that my daughters have it too. My husband's last name actually starts with a C, so the full initials would be EMZC and REZC, or ECZC and RMZC. I'm not nuts about the initials E.Z. in the middle of Ramona's name, but in my son's two years it has seemed like second middle name/initial are almost never used on documents or forms. She could always be REC on a business card, although that isn't ideal either! Or RZC, I guess. Do you guys think the E for Eleanor might be enough of a problem to avoid the name altogether?
I will be 37 weeks tomorrow and am grateful to still be pregnant, but I thought we'd have it figured out by now! My husband wants EC and RM, although he still doesn't really care for Emmeline. I don't like that he really prefers one first name over the other but there just isn't another one that we can agree on. As a major name enthusiast, I feel pretty confident that there is no name that I would be willing to use that I have not already considered. He has rejected many of them (and I have rejected many of his suggestions), and I just don't think we can do any better. But given that he doesn't really like Emmeline, although I hope it will grow on him, do you think I should let him have Charlotte as her middle name? The wrinkle there is that he likes R@mona M@rgaret so much, it almost feels wrong to give one twin a first-and-middle combo that he likes so much more than the other. EM and RE would be a little more even, although I don't want to overemphasize the limited importance of middle names. Any further thoughts about finding a balance?
Thanks for all your suggestions everyone! I love the idea of Matilda or Harriet, but unfortunately I just don't like the actual names enough to use them.
I think the issue I'm having with Josephine nn Posy is that I really would have no intention of ever calling her Josephine. It would purely be a resume/business card name as far as I'm concerned, and I just wonder if it would cause too much confusion because not many people would recognize Posy as a nickname for Josephine. I'm picturing it on the birth announcement and imagining that people will think we gave her a different name than we really did, if you know what I mean. I would almost feel the need to put "Josephine ('Posy') Fratelli" to clarify things. But I do also like the idea of having almost a secret identity. Just not sure how I feel about the idea of using a name I like, but don't love, to get to a nickname I do love. Is there anyone who has actually done this and can give me some feedback about their real-world experience?
Thanks for your very thorough reply (everyone has been so helpful!). It is slightly horrifying to see how many names similar to Emmeline that people are using, although most of them are clearly being used in very small numbers.
I love Christabel! But I'm Jewish, so it definitely doesn't feel right to me (and my mom might literally die if we used it). I don't know why it's not more popular though. I also think Jezebel is fabulous but it still seems to be off-limits.
I would like to think that the high incidence of OR-ion is partly because we live in an area with a lot of Spanish speakers, and I understand that the emphasis is on the first syllable in Spanish. But honestly, most of the people who do it are not Spanish speakers, and they don't really say it the Spanish way. They say it like they're trying to sound it out as they go. I think it's just not familiar to them, and they figure most names have the emphasis on the first syllable. People are ignorant. But it has made me aware that people butcher names in ways you may not expect.
I really like Cecily, and my grandmother was Cecelia, but I don't like how the first and last names would both end in the -lee sound (plus I don't think I could get my husband on board). I have considered it as a middle name because we are using my last name as a second middle for both, as we did for our son, so there would be a buffer between Cecily and Fratelli. Although I think fewer than three syllables for the middle names would be better, I do like Ramona Cecily. Will revisit that one, thanks!
As a lawyer and a serious name enthusiast, I think this case is fascinating! I am certain that the judge's decision will be struck down on appeal, as it should be, and I hope the mother/parents will appeal it. I also think that Messiah is a really unfortunate name, and its popularity (along with names like Unique) is evidence of increasing narcissism and grandiosity in baby naming. Using the mother's last name as a first name IS a good compromise- for the parents to make together, not for a judge to impose on them. The fact that the judge openly stated that her decision was based on her own religious beliefs (although she seems to see it as a matter of fact rather than belief!) absolutely ensures that it won't stand, but I don't think the judge had any business changing the child's first name anyway, both for constitutional reasons and because she did not have jurisdiction to do so. The child's first name was not part of the dispute, so she was overstepping her legal authority in changing it.
I do think it would have been reasonable for the judge to suggest that they change his name to Martin, if she didn't cite her religious beliefs as a reason. But I don't think many of us are comfortable with the idea of a judge deciding, of her own initative and due to her own personal beliefs, that your baby's name is "wrong" and must be changed. I do understand that it would be frustrating to deal with parents who can't compromise over a child's last name, but that is the judge's job, and it's no excuse for completely flouting the first amendment. Frankly, she is an embarrassment to Tennessee's legal system and I hope she is disciplined for judicial misconduct. Getting a decision wrong is one thing, but making a decision that you KNOW to be unconstitutional is outrageous.