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Agreed! One of my first thoughts was "ooo, what would Miriam say?" I miss her voice here.
My first association is to the character from Cheers/Frasier, which is neither great nor terrible. Second is the biblical figure, which is pretty bad. Third is the music festival, which I think is positive. So my overall feeling of the name is actually pretty neutral.
Based on sound alone, I like it. And in the current naming climate I think it's usable as long as you go into it with your eyes open to the potential issues. After all, people use Delilah and Jezebel and other names that are far more problematic.
Yes, exactly this. ^^^
I love Eleanor, and I don't think it's too popular at all, but I can't use it myself.
My favorite of the Ed- names is Edwin, followed by Edmund, either of which could work for you as twist on Edward.
The name theme you've got so far seems pretty classic, though I do wonder if you like the surname trend for a boy and perhaps that's why Edward isn't quite right?
I agree with everything Lucubratrix said here. Including congratulations on your transition!
My trans child is much younger than you, so her name choosing process was different I'm sure than yours will be. However, we found that what worked best for us was to have a name with similar sounds to her original name and still fit our family naming traditions. It's been about a year and a half since she transitioned and she still loves her name and says it totally feels like her. I agree that it suits her as well.
I have not transitioned myself, but I have changed my first name as an adult. Like my daughter, I found it more important to choose a name that "felt like me" instead of just a name I liked. So my name also has some of the same sounds as my original name, but feels different to me and over time has really come to feel like me.
BTW, Lucubratrix - do you have the name stats for the U.K. from 2002ish? We might be able to offer some generationally appropriate suggestions from that.
As I mentioned in your previous thread, my oldest has the initials EW and it is never an issue. Even if your son uses those initials for official documents or something it is unlikely to be a source of problems or embarassment for him. But it does sound like it may be a problem for you, if you're really that worried about it perhaps that's a sign that you should look for another name.
I agree with all this. I think Silas is a fine name, and if your criteria are not helping you it's ok to revise them. However, Silas and Isais would be too similar for me to feel comfortable with in my family.
One of the posters on this site gave me some really good advice a while ago - to consider whether I really liked a name BECAUSE of its similarity to my child's name. In the end I realized that part of the reason I like Coralie so much was it's similarity to Rosalie, and that similarity was enough to knock it off the list.
Because you asked though, here are my personal criteria;
1. A name with a long history of use, but not trendy in any particular era
2. A name that starts with the right letter - the same letter as a family name we want to use in the middle slot to continue our alliterative tradition, preferably not the same initial as my older children
3. A name with nickname possibilities
4. Prefer a name that will travel well outside the US, but this is less important than the others
5. A name that doesn't sound unfortunate with our surname, some name endings run into our name and make it sound like something else
Hope that's helpful!
I'm guessing that this is your first child together. I want to reassure you that even "common" names are not that common anymore in our current diversified namescape. Similarly, because names are so diversified the more "unusual" names are not weird or uncommon. Many names have pocket effects, where a name that isn't nationally popular will be used frequently in a small area. Aside from that though, the national and state name data can be really useful to help you get an idea of what is being used lately if you're in the US.
Some suggestions based on the names you've listed;
instead of Matthew - Matthias, Mateo
instead of Ezekiel - Ezra, Elijah, Enzo
instead of Darius - Dario, Darin, Devin
several of your husband's suggestions have a Celtic flavor, so perhaps a more familiar Celtic name would appeal to you both? Colin, Sean, Callum, Declan, Eamon
If you can narrow down a bit more what each of you is looking for in a name, it will be easier for us to help you. Descriptors like "manly" "weird" or "unique" are very subjective, so often hard to interpret. Specifics like culture of origin, rank in popularity, length, certain sounds, nickname possibilities... Those will be easier for us to help with.
For me (American) I read all your examples (Craig, Kreg, Greg) with the same vowel sound AY in the middle. I'm thoroughly merged here, I suspect that's the cause. I can't even hear what the difference is.
Graham is one of those names that I like but would never use, because I like the British 2-syllable pronunciation but couldn't enforce it here, and I wouldnt like the "gram" pronunciation a bit.
I agree completely. My middle child has been misgendered many times, and it's never been a big deal. If it's someone we won't see again we often don't even correct them. When a correction is needed it is easy to do.
Pacific NW accent here; both Beatrix and Beatrice have three syllables for me. I can't remember ever hearing them with two, but it wouldn't surprise me to hear the first two syllables squashed together. Adelaide is three syllables for me as well.
Thank you all for your feedback!
I'm realizing that since no major problems have been raised with these names I just need to narrow it down by how I feel about them. They meet all of my criteria and are husband approved, so I'm choosing now based on what feels right. Here are my top three for each gender;
Adelaide, Beatrix, Freya
Alistair, Emrys, Colwyn
And now we'll wait and see who pops out in January. I'll be sure to come back and let you know!
I think June Joanna is a great choice for you! Don't worry too much about the flow. Unless you plan to use the first two names as a double barreled first, the flow won't matter. Far more important is the flow of the first and last names.
I also like Elizabeth or Marianna for you, but really you can't go wrong with this list. They are all lovely names with carefully chosen associations and honors. My suggestion is to think carefully about the honor of the name, and how the name makes you feel, and choose based on that. Flow is not something that comes up in day to day life, and there are no unfortunate initials to worry about here.
I've been meaning to comment here for ages and keep forgetting. Sorry! For you I would pick Juniper Saskia from these lists. Juniper has a similar feel to Astr!d for me, feminine but not frilly, more on the spunky side but a name that will age well. Saskia is a name I really enjoy, I feel is totally underused, and fits with the Scandinavian style of your older two.
Runners up for me would be Octavia, Zinnia, Clementine for first names. In the middle spot I think Elke, Agnes, or Juliet work well. They have different beginning and ending sounds than the first names. Hope that's helpful!
Lol. Yes I do know that I don't need to pick a name instantly. We usually choose in the first 48 hours or so. But I also know myself well enough to know that I'll be in a bit of an altered state for several days, that's been the case with each birth so far. Thanks though. :)
The Beatrix Potter association is a definite plus in my book. She was an amazing woman.
I wouldn't mind a son Emrys being mistaken for a girl, and since we homeschool I think most people will encounter the name first by ear rather than in writing. But it's a good issue to be aware of, thanks.
I agree in principle, narrowing up is the way to go at this point. But it's hard! The criteria you list is exactly what I look for in a name. Honestly I think I could be happy with any of these names, but I don't want to overwhelmed by options in the delivery room either.
Thank you for your thoughts!
Aw, thanks EVie!
My E1ena is pronounced more Spanish style I guess. Definitely with the stress on the second syllable. We didn't want to repeat initials, but decided it would be ok with an E name as the the baby will be 15 years younger and a different gender (if given an E name).
We do have middle names picked out, and yes they are alliterative family names. Good memory! Middle names are;
April, Barbara, Frances, Hellen, Matteson
Abraham, Charles, Edgar, True
Thanks for the rescue Lucubratrix!
I'm really liking Emrys lately as well. For me Alistair is AL-iss-ter and E1ena is eh-LAY-nah, so they don't seem to overlap too much. Likewise with Colwyn, I say COL-win and for J I say JOOL-ee-in, so the stressed sounds are different and the syllable count. I think my tolerance for name similarity is higher than yours though - your kids names are SO distinct, while mine all have some repeated sounds.
Yes on the nicknames! Matilda would likely be Tilly, I'm not fond of Mattie but who knows what she may choose later. For me the lack of obvious nn options is a strike against both Freya and Hazel, though I do like both names. Beatrix would be Bea, Tris, or Trixie. Adelaide would be Ada (as in Lovelace). On the boys side I'm less sure about nicknames for Alistair. I don't like Al as a nn for instance. Tobin could be Toby, Emrys could be Emmy or Reese, and Colwyn obviously shortens to Cole or Wyn.
That's good to know about Emrys. I haven't met any little Emery's around here, or heard it on the playground, so I don't think it's that popular locally. I'm in the Pacific NW so that may have some effect on pronunciation.
For Alistair I feel like the stare vs stir pronunciations are more to do with the same name said differently by people with different accents or speech patterns. It wouldn't bother me, but it's good to be aware of.
I forgot to include in the original post that our last name starts with W and rhymes with ear. My older children are;
E1ena, nn Lulu used occasionally
Rosa1ie, nn Rosie used almost exclusively
Ju1ian, nn Jude used about half the time
We tend to be nickname people, so would prefer a name with options in that regard but it needn't be a very obvious name-shortening type of nn.