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July 19, 2018 01:01 PM

Thanks for letting us know--I've cleaned it up, but let us know if you notice it getting trolled again. You can post in the main forum ("Baby Name Ideas and Dilemmas") if you want to be sure one of us sees it quickly.

July 16, 2018 01:06 PM

Will she be coming to you with a name that you want to preserve in any way? Are there other connections to her birth situation that you want to try to honor? (For example, many parents who are adopting internationally want a name that "works" in both countries.)

July 11, 2018 12:16 PM

I like Matilda nn Mae a lot. It's British, literary, and theatrical now that there's a musical :). Plus it has a lot of great, different nicknames (at least Matty, Tilda, Tilly, and Millie, in addition to Mae). 

July 9, 2018 03:22 PM
In Response to Baby girl name

Is there anything particular you're looking for in a first name? Middle names are used so infrequently that I think almost anything "goes" barring unfortunate initials or some really obvious association. So if, say, your last name is New England I wouldn't use a first name that starts with A, and I probably wouldn't use first name Diaz (unless you're a big fan of the actress), but practically anything else is probably fine.

July 9, 2018 03:10 PM

If you love Lucy, I would give it a good consideration. Your husband's grandmother is probably Grandma or Grammy or Ya-Ya Nai-Nai or similar to a big chunk of the family already, and you could easily have a distinguishing nickname for times when both are around and likely to be called by name (e.g. Grandma Lucy and Little Lucy, Lucy and Lucy MiddleName, Great-Lucy and Lucy-kins, etc.). And of course you could tuck it into the middle slot as-is. Someday you might be glad to have used the exact form.

July 9, 2018 03:00 PM

Molly Caroline could easily go by Molly Kay sometimes (spelled however you prefer--Molly Cay?).

July 6, 2018 09:08 AM
In Response to Last Minute Fairy Name

I like a lot of the ideas you've come up with, and the suggestions you've gotten. Fritillaria is one of my "guilty pleasures" fantasy names--it's floral AND it sounds like Frilliana!--and I agree that botanical or floral would be a a great traditional choice.

If you wanted to branch out to orange fruits, there are a number of cool orange citrus varieties. Clementine is an obvious choice, but it also has a bunch of varietals with fairy-appropriate names, like Fina Sodea, Hernandina, Marisol, and Oroval. Other relatives include mandarins: Avana apireno and Avana tardivo, Beledy, Dancy, Fallglo (I really like this one for an orange-themed fairy), Frua, Kincy...there's even a Pixie mandarin! In tangelos there are Minneola, Willial, and Yalaha (I recommend against Ugli). The Calushu calamondin is a kind of kumquat. In actual organges Valencia is an obvious (maybe too obvious) choice, but there's also the Myrtifolia (a sour orange), Aziza, Cadena Punchrosa (this one sounds a bit wicked, like you're going to go hit Briar Rose), Cadenera Fina, Cara Cara, Salustiana, Selecta, and probably my favorite choice, Ceridwen (a naval orange). (I found all of these on a UC-Riverside website, if you want to trawl through it on your own.)

I especially like Ceridwen because it has that Welsh fairy-princess sound and is actually the name of a sorceress/goddess from Welsh legend. Another option I highly recommend is browsing through some Welsh feminine names; choices like Aeronwy and Eilwen show where fantasy authors found inspiration for names like Eilonwy and Arwen. Behind the Name has a good list, if you want to look through it. My own personal favorite fairy-queen name is Morwenna (or Morwen, if you want a sleeker option), but there are many fabulous names there. I also really like Luned or Eluned for the slight moon-y feel (even though it doesn't actually have any lunar meaning) and the Mabinogian connection.

July 1, 2018 08:30 PM

For some reason, Sophie/Sofie keeps coming up. These should get you started:

More links to similar discussions are available upon request.

July 1, 2018 07:43 PM
In Response to New long name!

Annie is traditionally "short" for Ann or Anne, so one minimal-change option you might consider is using one of those options. You could introduce yourself as "Ann or Annie" and avoid the questions, without needing to change your legal name.

You could also just own the ambiguity and play around with any name containing -an- you can think of--Andina, Charmianne, Moana, Nirvana, Frillianna, Anamosa, etc. Give a different answer every time you're asked, and your "true" name can be your mysterious secret :).

June 30, 2018 09:53 AM

Congratulations! I love the name, and the story.

June 28, 2018 02:52 PM

I want to preface my comments by noting that your children's peers probably won't have the associations I do to any significant degree and even the other adults here don't seem to have a problem with them, so this is not a deal-breaker by any means but just something to be aware of going in.

With that said, Primrose fails the "would I want it for my name" test rather spectacularly for me, especially with twin sister Elora. 

Despite the etymology* for Primrose, I can't help but see "prim + rose" and therefore get a very Victorian, buttoned-down, judgmentally-virginal feel from the name that I personally wouldn't want to carry around. My first association for Elora, on the other hand, is the Ellora Caves and, by extension, Ellora's Cave, the now-defunct eBook publisher that trademarked the term "romantica" as in "romantic erotica" (presumably named partially because the Ellora Caves feature some sensual sculptures and themes). Elora on its own works for me in spite of those associations, as it so effortlessly fits into the current liquid naming trends and the association is not front-and-center for most folks in the US, but paired with Primrose I find the juxtaposition really uncomfortable.

As I said, I think these associations are already fading fast, and maybe your daughters won't ever hear phrases like "prim and proper" or "up the primrose path"--and hopefully by the time they're in middle school the whole virgin/whore dichotomy will be dead enough that no one would ever make any of these connections, anyway.

With all that heavy stuff out of the way, Posey is a very cute nickname and Rose is an easy blending-in option. I think Prima or Primma would also work well, though I really still can't like Prim. Primula would also be a good elaboration-type nickname.


*The OED doesn't fully buy the "first rose" definition but agrees that it has nothing to do with primness.

June 26, 2018 07:53 AM
In Response to Chip & Joanna Gaines

Well that's interesting. It seems very on-the-nose for parents who have a brood of five children and a construction crew and just shook off a camera crew. Is it a family name?

June 25, 2018 08:48 AM
In Response to Chip & Joanna Gaines

I would love it if they went with something totaly different, like Joseph in honor of Joanna or something, but I suspect they'll try to stick to what's workin'. Deke is a good guess; there's also Dirk, though that's reeeally similar to Drake. Even adding a syllable or two there still aren't many options, though Decker seems somewhat consistent.

Maybe they could switch from D to T? Tuck feels like it fits pretty well. Or they could swap the consonants around and go with something like Kade. Cody would actually be a good "bridge" between their boy and girl styles, actually.

June 25, 2018 08:40 AM
In Response to Name For Baby #6!

I think Grant and Sawyer both fit your criteria well. Between the two, I like Sawyer for the literary associations (Tom Sawyer/Mark Twain is my main association) and I like Grant for its ease of spelling and pronunciation and because it feels very familiar without being at all common. Both fit well with your daughters' names; Sawyer especially fits the more modern, surname-as-given-name feel of your younger four. Grant might be a good choice if you want to sort of "pull together" the sib-set, since it's also a surname but with a more classic feel like Madeleine (but sibs are a set for such a short period that I would let that be a tie-breaker, not a deal-breaker).

Depending on your specific concerns about popularity, Noah Lennox might work well, too—if you're mainly concerned about having a way to distinguish for bureaucratic purposes, an uncommon middle name can be very helpful. If you're concerned about having three in every class, I also think you're fine, since even the most popular names (like Noah) aren't anywhere near as ubiquitous as the popular names of yesteryear. The main concern would be if you want a name that feels unusual/unexpected in everyday use; in that case, middle names are used so infrequently in most cases that you may be disappointed in the common-ness of Noah L. Lastname. Think about people you work with and your kids' friends--how many of their middle names do you know? If you're like most of us, you might know the middles for children whose birth announcements you've received, but probably don't know more than a few others. (Of course this isn't an issue if you plan to use the whole name, double-barrel-style, as in "Hi, this is our son, Noah Lennox." "Good job, Noah Lennox!" etc.)

June 24, 2018 03:26 PM
In Response to Is this an issue?

I agree, for me they don't sound anything like identical (about as similar as "ear" and "air"), but they're still close enough to make the connection. Part of that is also that the name means "clear" etymologically, and the French word clair and English word clarity, which do sound like Claire, reinforce the connection.

I think this is also going to depend to some extent on what kind of fiction and TV/movies you enjoy; just coincidentally, the urban fantasy I was reading yesterday contained the line "“Clear shot!” Luther screamed. “Give me a clear shot!”" (Luther was a hazmat medmage, who needed the heroine to get out of the way of a bunch of ghouls ;-).) People whose entertainment choices run more to chick lit or history of science or something probably won't have the phrase as close at hand (and it probably has different, better connotations for dedicated World Cup aficionados).

June 22, 2018 10:11 AM
In Response to Is this an issue?

I don't think any of those alternate pronunciations sounds more like "clear" than Claire does, though, so they'd still be fine options. (I don't think that a nickname has to be purely a lopped-off version of the given name, so I think it would still be fine to use Claire as a nickname for any of those pronunciations, a la Mick for Michael.)

June 18, 2018 08:13 AM

Oh, Lagniappe is great! I recall a discussion of the word (can't remember if it was in the context of naming) where Miriam explained its meaning, so it seems doubly-appropriate as a name for one of your "bonus" chicks.

June 18, 2018 08:08 AM
In Response to Wren?

Congratulations on your daughter and a lovely name, and thank you for the update!

June 17, 2018 11:06 AM

I do really like the Green Eggs, No Ham suggestion. Otherwise, a ninja-style chicken puts me in mind of your recent mentions of Ninjago Lloyd—maybe Floyd, AKA Feathered Lloyd? I know it's traditionally a masculine name, but so was Casterdell, right?

For the "spare", you could go with Veep if you're feeling political. Maybe Veep-veep or Peep-Veep or something to be more chicken-y. Of course, around here a black-and-gold bird would likely be named Herky, in honor of the Hawkeyes mascot, though as a born-and-bred Spartan it's a little bit painful to suggest it ;-).

June 15, 2018 12:44 PM

One other issue that you should consider if you go with any of the Liv- names (or Lydia, which I otherwise agree would make a lovely choice): If you have a first syllable in the given name that sounds a lot like Lib- but with a different consonant, I think you will get a lot of confusion about what the actual nickname is. That is, if you name her Liviana or Livia or Lavinia I would expect a LOT of people to "hear" Livvie when you say Libby. I can even imagine someone who has known your daughter for years having a sudden "wait, her name isn't Livvie?" moment when first seeing the nickname written down. I would similarly expect a name like Lydia to cause a lot of "I thought she went by Liddie?" confusion.

None of that is a deal-breaker, and if you expected Libby to be mainly a private, at-home nickname I wouldn't even bring it up. However, it sounds like you are thinking that Libby will be her public call-name at least while she's little, in which case you should probably get comfortable with the possible "mistaken" nicknames and prepare to help your daughter cultivate a similar attitude.

(I think it's not nearly as much of an issue with Elizabeth or its derivatives, since Libby doesn't sound much like Lizzie and is a traditional nickname for Elizabeth anyway.)

On another note, are there other L- names that you love as much as Lorelai? I'm in the camp that doesn't believe nicknames have to be lifted letter-for-letter from the given name, so I really feel you could pick just about any longer L name and still use Libby as a nickname. Any Li- name would be a pretty obvious choice: Linnaea, Lillian, Liesl, etc.