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I'm actually a bit disappointed after reading your post. Based on the title, I was expecting to read about a potential sibling pair of August & Winston, which I happen to think would be pretty fantastic!
If the only thing holding you back about August is Gus, then I'll throw out Auggie as another nickname suggestion. Of course, there is no reason he has to use a nickname. It has been my experience that people don't default to nicknames the way they used to.
I really like Winston & despite the strong association with Churchill, it doesn't seem (to me) like he "owns" the name in the way other prominent namesakes seem to own their names. My hesitation with Winston is actually the nickname Win which gives the name an overly competitive vibe I don't particularly care for. I could also see some potential for Winnie, which I think is adorable (Winnie the Pooh is pretty awesome). Though I suspect most boys would put a stop to Winnie at some point. However, I think my comment about not having to use a nickname also applies here.
Perhaps you could take a break from names for a few days. Sometimes it's easier to make a decision after a break. You could also try flipping a coin and see what happens. If you feel excited about the name that wins the coin toss, then you've got your name. If you find you feel disappointed after the coin toss, you'll still have identified the name you actually prefer. You could also take both August and Winston to the hospital with you and see what feels right after you've met him. There is no rule that says the name has to be set in stone before baby's arrival.
FWIW, Eleanor/Nell is fantastic! I am always excited when parents say they are looking for a strong/take-me-seriously name for girls. :-)
You've honestly not really given us much to go on. You like Lorelei, and like the repeated first letter. Based on that, I'll throw out Vivian, Lillian, Pippa/Phillipa, Susanna, Cecilia. And yes, Lorelei was the name of the main characters on the Gilmore Girls. It was actually shared by trio of characters-grandmother/daughter/granddaughter.
I honestly have no idea where to start on boy names because you haven't given us anything to start from. Are there names you like but can't use for some reason? Your children's names or names you liked but didn't use previously could also help at least give us some idea of your style. Your children's actual names can be somewhat disguised using non-letter characters (i.e.; J@ck instead of Jack or J3nnif3r instead of Jennifer).
I normally don't think issues related to middle names are a big deal. But this isn't an issue of flow or rhyming or something. It's an issue where the middle/last has a Very Strong association. Personally, I don't think I'd do it. His middle name won't come up much, but every time it does, he's bound to get comments and jokes about it. When you make the announcement, you'll get a taste for the kind of stuff he'll have to live with for the rest of his life.
If it was a family name, maybe-at least then he could offer an explanation of "James was my mother's dad's name. At least my parents didn't use it as my first!" But based on your post, it sounds like the only thing James has going for it is that you like the sound. That's likely to lead to an eye roll and "yeah, I don't know what my parents were thinking." Bottom line, it just doesn't pass the would-I-want-it-for-my-own-name-test.
I suggest you consider what it is that sounds so good about Davis James, and then start with similar names. If you like the repeated A & S sounds, then perhaps Jace, Jason, Mason, Amos, Angus, etc. Or maybe it's the cadence of a 2 syllable first + 1 syllable middle that appeals? Mark, Luke, Paul, Blake, Jake, John, Jack, etc. Once you have it figured out, post back and let us know. The regulars around here are very good at coming up with suggestions.
Yes, I agree with all of this. Unless the Irish name is already familiar to people and/or has at least one famous namesake you can use as reference (think Siobhan) it's going to be an uphill battle. It's not a battle I would be willing to fight, nor is it one I would want to burden my child with.
Eilis is very similar & is a fantastic suggestion for something that would be less problematic. Or change the spelling to make it more intuitive for English speakers. Aylee, Ayley, etc.
If thinking about & discussing names is starting to be really unfun, my suggestion would be to stop. Take a break from names for a while-this could be a few days, a couple weeks or more, depending on when you are due. Sometimes taking a break and then coming back allows people to see things from a fresh perspective.
When you do come back to thinking/talking about names, I would suggest you quickly re-examine Joseph Dylan. It your immediate reaction at that time is positive, keep it on the table. Joseph has meaning for your family & it sounds like you have become fairly attached. Your husband's hesitation could simply be a matter of cold feet. And I really do not understand why he would think using Dylan is sychophantic. The musician will never know (and if he did, probably wouldn't care) what your son's middle name is. I wouldn't worrty too much about anyone else, especially with it tucked away safely in the middle position. Dylan is a common-enough name that people are unlikely to automatically assume it was after the musician anyway. However, if your husband still isn't sold, then perhaps this is the place for you to make suggestions. Joseph Shane is lovely, or perhaps one of your names that can't be used as a first would work as a middle instead?
If you decide to keep Joseph (with or without Dylan) on the table, but your husband is still hesitant, then I would work on coming up with a back-up name. This will allow you to head to the hospital with a couple of solid choices, and you could see what works best once baby is here. Sometimes people will continue to waffle/have cold feet no matter what the name is-and this approach might allow your husband to relax & stop 2nd guessing.
Based on the names in your post, I'll suggest Percy, Mitchell, James, Ross, Thomas, Nathaniel/Nathan, Curt/Curtis, Peter & Ryan
Personally, I would avoid matching initials for twins. So the number of L names on your lists really limits pairings I would suggest. Leighton/Lawton and Leighton/Landon seem particularly too similar to use on siblings, much less twins.
Ophelia seems really off to me with anything from your boy list. I would expect a brother to Ophelia to be named something like Sebastian or Benedict.
Lyla & Kai is the only pairing I really care for.
Girl sugggestions: Ava, Harper, Phoebe, Isla, Kyra
Boy suggestions: Owen, Finn, Jude, Aiden, Gavin, Cooper
I agree with all of this (and the flow of Jeannie Nova is fine). Doing it this way also gives you the chance to use all 4 of your favorite names at once! That's the kind of opportunity that doesn't come along very often.
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I think the strength of the family connection should be considered. For example, I would keep Marie on the list, middle name of both grandmothers is a rather strong connection. However, I would probably eliminate something like Violet, as it sounds like this is just a name in your family trees, but without a direct or especially strong sentimental connection.
So, narrowing it down, I would eliminate Violet, Renee & Esther, as it sounds like the family connection isn't particularly strong with any of them.
I would probably consider names like Marie, Elise & Isabel "first tier." All of these names are found on both sides of the family, and they all have fairly direct connections (meaning it's probable you & your husband have/had reasonably close relationships with those relatives).
Eleanor, Iris & Lucy would be my "2nd tier" names. The degree of reationship to the original name holder is further than the 1st tier names, or they lost points for being found only on one side of the family. However, my tier ranking may not hold true for you. It's possible your husband had a very close relationship with his great-grandmother Eleanor-or perhaps you & your sister Elizabeth aren't especially close. Situations like that may cause a particular name to gain or lose points.
4 letters isn't a lot to go on & "goes good" with George is really very subjective. Can you give us an idea of names you like but can't use or don't meet your 4 letter requirement? This will give us an idea of the types of names you like, which will increase the quality of our suggestions for you.
With nothing else to go on, I personally think something with multiple syllables will go best with the one syllable George. However, this might limit your options if you stick to the 4 letter requirement. Some ideas: Milo, Alec, Cody, Toby, Liam, Hugo, Nico
I encourage you to keep Loretta June in the running. What your mom thinks shouldn't matter. She got to name her babies & now you get to name yours. She'll adjust to the name once it's attached to an actual baby. You've also got a nickname on hand, which should diminish any negative feelings she might have for the full name. FWIW, I love the name Loretta.
In addition to Loretta June, I'd say Alice Loretta would round out my top 2. My next favorite is Margot June .
If you really like Jane better than June, I'd encourage you to use it. Flow or rhyming between middle & last is really a non-issue in day to day life. She'll mostly be Firstname, sometimes Firstname Last-Names and occassionally Firstname Middle (for those "you-are-really-in-trouble moments). All 4 names will likely be reserved only for very formal situations, like graduations or whatnot.
I do like Ina, just not a huge fan of Ina Louise, though I could get on board with something like Ina June, Ina Jane, or perhaps Ina Margaret/Ina Margot. As for your friend, I don't think it's a huge deal. You know you aren't naming after her-and if it's not a close friend, I doubt the friend would make that assumption.
One syllable middle names for Clementine-Joy, Rose, Ruth, Tess, Bess, Maude, Pearl, Leigh. I know you want to avoid "long" A middles, but I'll add Maeve, Kate & Paige, just in case you decide to reconsider.
I agree that Ayala probably wouldn't be too diffiult for most people, at least where I live. It seems like it would fit in nicely with the "raindrop" style names talked about in this post: http://www.babynamewizard.com/archives/2013/6/raindrop-names
The name Aya is mentioned in the post, which seems like a fairly intuitive nickname for Ayala. Allie & Ala could also work.
Perhaps something that calls to mind the coloring of a deer? Sienna, Tawny, Rose, Ruby, Ginger, etc.
Or something more associated with their environment: Sylvia, Dara, Flora, Laurel?
Deer are also linked with fall/winter. It might be a bit of a reach but something evoking that time of year could maybe work. Autumn, Winter, Holly
Yes, I did wonder if the parents might be Star Trek fans. As someone who enjoys Star Trek, I would personally be pretty excited to meet a litte Tiberius. If the parents aren't fans, they may want to consider if they'll be bothered by Trekkie comments. If they don't think that will be an issue for them, I see no reason not to use it. It's a pretty awesome name even for non-fans of the show.
The people who have commented so negatively are more than rude. It's things like this that cause me to caution against sharing the names with people IRL before the baby is born. However, I will add that most people (I'm think about grandparents especially) do eventually get over hate of a name once it is attached to an actual baby. At the very least, people learn to keep their negative opinions to themselves after baby is born.
I'll second Winter as a first name.
I would personally avoid the combination of Ivy Winter, as it seems too gimmicky for me (though obviously others agree). In general, I would probably stay away from noun & adjective first names, as they could sound too descriptive with the middle name.
Flow is usually not a huge deal to me when picking first/middle, but it can be a good way to eliminate names or move them up on the list. All that said, I prefer the flow of Olivia Winter better than Livia Winter.
Other suggestions; Isla, Lydia, Naomi, Lilah, Charlotte, Lucy
There is no rule that says both parents must use the same call name for a child. You can call your son Hank, and dad can use the given name of Henry. If you like Martin but not Marty, don't call him Marty-but dad can if he wants.
Keep in mind that with any given name/nickname situation you run the risk of the child eventually choosing to go by whatever you don't call him, even if both parents are using the same call name. Because of this, you should really consider how you will feel if your child decides he prefers the call name that isn't your favorite.
I like both Henry & Hank and I really don't consider popularity to be a deal breaker. I would personally rather tell my child that I gave them the name both parents loved best vs. telling them "well, there was another name we liked better but we didn't want to look too trendy." FWIW, Henry has been on the rise since 1998, I think with nearly 20 years of increased popularity, it's got more staying power than a passing trend. Prior to 1998, it hovered around 130-140 starting about 1978, so it's never really gone away. All things considered, it's really more "timeless" as opposed to even "vintage revival."
I'm honestly pretty meh about Warner. If it's a family name for you I might be more excited about it, but otherwise it actually strikes me as more "trendy" than either of your other 2 choices. Warner itself may not be very popular, but the whole group of ending-in-er-names (especiall surnames as first) are trending right now. I suspect that, at least where I live, something like Warner would get lost among all of the names like Cooper, Carter, Archer, Dexter, Jasper, Xavier, Zander, Baxter, Miller, Ryker, Strider, etc. FWIW, I know at least one child IRL with each of these names.
I really, really like Martin for you. It actually strikes me as exactly what it seems you are looking for. It's familiar and not too "out there." It ranks 276 and has been very slowly falling for a few years. Not falling so fast or so far that it will seem out of place or "old" but certainly not at risk of seeming trendy or like a passing fad in a few years. I agree that it is an underused classic. If the only thing holding you back is the nickname Marty, refer back to the beginning of my post. :-)
As someone who was a child in the 70s, I don't think I would have blinked about Pete or Natalie. I went to school with a couple of Petes and several Natalies. Jack seems like it might be a bit off, simply that I didn't know any as a kid (though I did know several Pauls), but not so off I would have given it much thought. With Grace back then I would have assumed a more religious family (less so now) but it still wouldn't have been surprising.
I go back & forth on Gavin. I am/was familiar with Gavin McLeod & I would have recognized Gavin as a surname. Back in the day, I think I would have noticed Gavin as being unusual, but still sufficiently familliar that it wouldn't have seemed weird. Is the character American? On an American of that age, it would seem out of place to me now, but less so if they were from someplace else. I ask because Karl Urban is from New Zealand, so it's possible the character was also.
I'm with you that maybe the movie will help keep Elliot/Elliott from going girl. Probably depends on how well the movie does at the box office. Do they keep to the original story? From the trailers I've seen, it kind of looked like they didn't follow much of the original plot.
I think Mina would be a lovely namesake for Guglielmina. You could also look at other variants or names relatedd to it, just as Willa or Minna. If using the 1st initial would work, Geneva is also lovely. Other G names that could work: Gemma, Guiliana, Ginevra
Alfea just reminds this English speaker of the word alfalfa, so it's not really my favorite. But perhaps Althea as a sound-alike? Some other A names: Alea, Alannah, Adele (also similar to Odell)
You mention your FIL wants to you to name the baby after his late wife. But is that what you want? What about your husband? I think it's a lovely idea if you can find a name you like that could be considered a namesake & you both want to honor tradition, etc. But I'm not sure it's something you should do because of family pressure. Perhaps a first name you like with a middle name honoring your late MIL would be enough? Odell Mina or Odell Geneva could both work.
I love all of your old lady names, and I think Edmund is fantastic!
Other old lady names that I've always had a soft spot for include Agatha, Helen, Cordelia, Martha, Claudia & Augusta.
I'll also throw out Margaret, which really strikes me as more timeless than the others, but would still be a good fit.
OP should definitely check the regulations in her state by calling the office of vital statistics. It seems this is one of those things that varies greatly from state to state.
In the state where I had my 2nd son, birth certificates had to be filed by the hospital before the baby was released (midwives had to file within 48 hours after delivery for home births). If a name wasn't chosen yet, the certificate would be filed as "Baby Boy/Girl Surname." Parents would then have to go through an amendment process (with associated fees) to have the original certificate changed.
In the state where my first son was born, hospitals had 5 days before they were required to file for a birth certificate, meaning it would be possible to leave the hospital without a name. Parents would just need to be sure and contact the hospital before the 5 days were up, otherwise the certificate would be issued as Baby Boy/Girl Surname. In that state, parents had up to 30 days after they received the birth certificate to request amendments to the information free of charge. After that, fees were involved for any amendments.
Oops, my bad. I read the original post as Alexandre is a family name his side was pressuring him to use. I see now you were probaby referring to his surname when you mentioned pressure to use the "family name."
I think that reduces some of the issue, as there are no family traditions involved. In that case, if you allow Alexandra now, the agreement becomes "you get your favorite for this child, and I get my favorite next time, regardless of the next chid's gender."
Though I would still argue that a clear agreement should be made that Alexandre & all variants are completely off the table for future sons (first & middle) if Alexandra or a variant is used now. I say this because I know a family where they used a feminine version of dad's chosen name on a girl, thinking it would be the last child. When they later had a surprise son, he advocated really hard to use the masculine version anyway. They ended up with 2 kids with bascially the same name. I won't share the exact names here, but it was something along the lines of dad wanted Robert, they named a girl Robin, then ended up with a son called Robert anyway.