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I have a new coworker named Harvey, hired several months before both the hurricane and the Weinstein scandal. So for me, the interesting thing has been how his name story has totally changed in the space of those few months: he went from being somebody whose name implied he was a generation older than he actually was -- an interesting story to a name geek, but totally unremarkable to everyone else -- to being one of those unfortunate fellows who shared a name with two of the big stories in the news.
Idle question: why are you resurrecting all of these month-old threads?
I'm afraid you lost me with your reasoning about how Krenare is pronounced: kr is a VERY different sound cluster than kn, and even so, there are languages that have no problem pronouncing both the K and the N in kn; German, for example. So concluding that the K in Krenare wouldn't be pronounced in Albanian just doesn't wash. Unless I'm totally misunderstanding what you're trying to say? (Also, personally I'd feel strange using names from a language I don't speak.)
Yeah, Jensen Jenkins would be waaaay too much. It's not just the repeated entire first syllable: it's also the "OK, two last names, but what's the kid *called*?" factor. In other words, Jennifer Jenkins would be fine, even though it has exactly the same repeated syllable. (There isn't a comparable boy name that starts with Jen- but is a traditional given name.)
I thought you wanted the /DAFF-na/ pronunciation? Both Daphné and Daffné would get /DAFF-nay/ (or /DAFF-nee/ from those for whom diacritics are bling to be ignored).
Of the girl choices, I prefer Daisy: Darcy is very much not my style, and Daphne would be lovely except that you want a non-standard pronunciation. Even with Daisy, I'd personally prefer Margaret-nicknamed-Daisy, which would in a sense use both Mom's and Dad's initials. :)
Both Daisy and Daphne are already floral names, so a floral middle name would be a bit much for me. Are there any relatives you'd like to honor?
Of the boy's choices, I'd skip Mason (never understood the appeal of "bricklayer" as a boy's name), but both Marcel and Matheo are lovely. For middle names, again, I'd investigate the family tree.
Note that I just cleaned up the Mamie entry in Namipedia. In addition to removing a long and irrelevant dissertation about the role of Mammy in Gone with the Wind, I removed the tidbits that confused Mamie with Mame.
I think you were saying Mimmy correctly: that's precisely what the spelling difference between Mimi and Mimmy is supposed to convey.
OK, now you have me wondering what derogatory racial context could be attached to Eugene, Tyrone, and Marcus...
If I hadn't read the Name Games thread, I would be like "racial implications of Mamie? Eh? Is there a side of Mrs. Eisenhower that's been swept under the rug or something?" Turns out, the trouble is the similarity with Mammy.
I dunno, to me there isn't much similarity, and if I hear "Mamie", I totally do not think of "Mammy" (and vice versa: on my own, I would have never gone from "Mammy" to "Mamie"). The only problem I have with Mamie as a name is that it's too nicknamey, and doesn't give the bearer the flexibility that, say, Mary-called-Mamie would. But I'm white, so I doubtless have difference associations than someone whose grandma or great-grandma had personal experience with the Mammy role.
(I rented Hidden Figures recently and made my mom watch it. She was appalled at the overt displays of racism, and sympathized with the "I know you believe that [you have nothing against colored people]" line... all without ever realizing that her own, more covert but just as real, racist beliefs are just as reprehensible. But it did make me wonder what reprehensible beliefs I've internalized and self-justified...)
Note that the OP is located in Spain, specifically Catalonia, so Eleanor would be just as likely to be mispronounced (or, rather, pronounced differently than in English) as Elionor.
And again, I really want to know where you're located that you're so convinced that name-based bullying is unusually rampant, because my experience (and that of several other forum regulars) is precisely the opposite.
Sophia, where are you located that you think that today's kids are unusually mean about names? Because my (admittedly fairly limited) experience has been precisely the opposite: kids today are just as likely to tease someone who doesn't fit in as kids were 50 years ago, but said teasing is much less likely to be name-based than it used to be, because today's kids are exposed to a much wider variety of names than previous generations.
(Note that nobody has ever been teased because and only because their name is [fill in the blank]. Instead, what happens is that the bullies/popular kids decide that a particular kid is undesirable, probably for some reason that they can't quite name; and then they find something that they can tease about that kid.)
@Maria Maria: actually, you do have to explain it. :) Which Kylie? And why now?
I think Sarah nicknamed Sadie would go perfectly with your other children.
Evelyn and Jocelyn do pass the holler test for me, so if you're OK with rhyming names, they could work... Where the problem could arise is, what happens if you have a third daughter? Would you feel you had to continue the pattern with an alternative spelling like Catelyn or an outright misspelling like Pamelyn, or would you be OK saying "it's not a pattern until there's three of them"?
In other words, I think it's time to take a break. :)
@Mrs.Hayward, are you reading the same comments I am? Until you came along, nobody posted anything that could even remotely be taken as a personal attack, and nobody said anything particularly bad about any of the names on the list, let alone "belligerent". The point of our comments, which you either missed or are totally ignoring in favor of a rant, is that Ms. Cardoza's article is unsourced, unresearched, and full of glaring errors.
Another Joss Whedon association here - I know intellectually that Joss can be a nickname for many names, both male and female, but if see just "Joss", my mind immediately fills in "Whedon", and thus Joss is a masculine (nick)name to me.
Well, if you want unusual, then Jaxon ain't it...
Checking the tail end of the 2000 and 2001 SSA stats: Zakeem, Zamier, Zarak, Zelig, Zemar, Zeven (oy, that one's painful), Zohair, Zyrek
If you want slightly more mainstream than that, Vaughan or Zayn might work - those were given to 20 kids each in 2001. (More, if you add Zayne and Zain.) If you up the threshold to 50 kids, there's Tavares, Tywan, Zamir, or if you don't mind the baggage, Traveon. As you go up the list, there are fewer and fewer names given to exactly X number of kids, but looking in the "about 100 babies with this name in 2001" vicinity, there's Varun, Yaakov, Favian, Tavian, Javin, Javan, Jabez, Hezekiah, Zaire, Enzo, or the more normal-sounding Devlin, Eliezer/Eliazar, Maxim, Paxton, Vince, Zack, Zeke.
Also, I wasn't cherry-picking anything...
Yeah, none of those are actually feminine names that have subsequently become masculine names - rather, the other way around, with some holdouts still using them for boys. (Ashley and Meredith are a couple more examples of the phenomenon.)
And none of this contradicts, or even addresses, the real objection I have to masculine names on girls, namely the attitude that it's perfectly OK if your name says you're a boy and you turn out to be a girl, but Lord have mercy on you if it happens the other way around. It's the underlying subconcious bias I'm objecting to, the one that makes "effeminate" be a bad thing but "manly" a good thing.