A Poll

hi again. i have a poll to pick between 2 names.we have a 3yr. old named Cla!r.  i have a second question out of left field. my guilty pleasure name has always been Catalina, is that too far-fetched for the likes of our very anglo family?  Thanks all!

Elise Victoria Burrows (last name is extremely similar to our real name)


Rose Elise Burrows


By Guest (not verified)
May 13, 2012 12:00 PM

I personally think of either the place, the boat, or the salad dressing when I hear Catalina. Sorry. Maybe as a middle? I think Elise Catalina flows well.


I think Elise Victoria flows better than Rose Elise (the two "E"s seem to meld it into one name), but I have bad memories of multiple Victorias, so it's not a name I personally would use. It's sad, because I like the *idea* of Victoria. 

I still think Elise Catalina would be cool. :-)


sharalyns (not logged in)

May 13, 2012 1:26 PM

Catalina is an island to me, sorry, but I do sympathise: I love Katalin, which is the Hungarian version of Catherine. Would Caitlynn (in some spelling or other) do it for you? It's thoroughly Anglo...

I prefer Elise Victoria Burrows: the middle name balances out the two sibilant endings on first and last name. In Rose Elise Burrows, every name ends in a sibilant, which breaks up any possibility of flow or rhythm for me. (Elise Burrows is fine: if there's only two of a sound, it becomes just a subtle echo that helps unify things.)

But I prefer Elise Renata from your other thread over either of these options. Renata is such a pretty name to me, very underused (especially compared to Vicky-type names), and it would have a family connection, having the same meaning as your middle name.

By Guest (not verified)
May 13, 2012 2:48 PM

I think that Elise Victoria, Elise Catalina and Elise Renata all sound great. I really, really like the multi-syllabic ends-in-a style as a middle for Elise—the rhythms work beautifully, and the more flowery, ornate style balances the streamlined simplicity of Elise really well. Fantastic choices.

Rose Elise is a bit less interesting to me. They're both pretty names, but I find the rhythm choppy, and the two names almost seem to bring out the more bland aspects of each other.

Regarding Catalina, I think it's totally useable. I think of the island, too, but it's an island that has a woman's name (the actual name is Santa Catalina Island, though it's usually just called Catalina). It was given that name because it was discovered by a Spanish explorer on St. Catherine's day (November 24, 1602). I've never been there, but it's mostly a nature conservancy, right? That seems like a positive association to me—I don't see what the problem is. It's a beautiful name, if you love it you should use it.

- EVie, not logged in

May 13, 2012 3:00 PM

I like Elise Victoria Burrows - it's a pretty name, it flows well. And it would fit a little person or an adult. 

I don't dislike Rose Elise, I justfont think it flows together as nicely.

Catalina is an island and salad dressing to me, so I have a hard time thinking of it as a name.

By hyz
May 13, 2012 4:32 PM

Rose is by far my favorite of the three possible first names.  These days it is unexpected in the FN spot, and really is lovely.  I agree with the others, though, that Rose Elise does not have the easiest flow.  If that bothers you, my pick would be Rose Victoria, or even Rose Catalina.  Catalina generally makes me think of either the salad dressing or the character on My Name Is Earl, and it's not really my style.  I do like Katerina, though, which is nearly the same sound with a different background, so I think it's just a matter of personal association and preference.

Elise Victoria is very nice, but is less exciting to me than Rose partially because I knew a lot of Elises (of various spellings and variations) growing up, and now I seem to be hearing of a lot of young ones now.  Maybe I am just in an Elise pocket, though.  And I really do love Rose.  So that would be my vote.

May 13, 2012 4:33 PM

Elise Victoria B wins for me as well. Lovely name, goes well with Clair and flows really well. I will second the suggestion of Elise Catalina though.

Rose Elise Burrows has flow issues for me as well. Too much S sound and too choppy. I do love Rose as a first name though so would probably vote for a Rose combo over an Elise combo if the middle name worked better. I actually think Rose Catalina or Rose Renata could work? Rose Lillian or Rose Sophia?

Catalina could work as a first name. Although I would lean towards either Elise or Rose in your case and use it as a middle.

By Guest (not verified)
May 13, 2012 5:42 PM

Catalina is a guily pleasure of mine as well.

I had no idea so many people would think salad dressing.

I think it's wonderfully musical, and it has the sophistication of Caroline with the nice nn

possibilities of Catherine. Lina would be a lovely match to Claire, imho.

Of course, it is a Spanish name. My son actually had a Catlina in his first grade, but she had a very Spanish surname. I'd say it's still infinitely usable, but based on the other responses, perhaps not!

Of your two names, I'd say Elise is the most natural with Claire, but Rose is a tad more interesting, if that matters to you.

I do think Elise is a tad better with your ln, but both are lovely choices.

I just don't worry that much about the overall flow with the mn, as one so rarely address a child with her first, middle, and last name. In my experience, it's only when they're being naughty!



May 13, 2012 6:30 PM

Including your previous question, here is my personal order of preference:

  • Elise Renata (Still my favourite by far.)
  • Elise Victoria
  • Elise Catalina (Not because I don't like Catalina, because I do. I just think that the other names sound better following Elise.)
  • Rose Elise (I think that I'm in the minority, but the name Rose does nothing for me, and I think that its rhythm is off with Elise.


May 13, 2012 7:10 PM

I like Catalina!

If you do decide to use it, though, I would put in in the mn spot, because with older sister being Clair, I would worry about creating a C theme that you might not want to get into should you have more children. As a mn it might also make you feel better about it not being anglo, as fewer people would be able to raise their eyebrows at such a daring choice.

Rose Elise Burrows is way too choppy for me. I like both Rose and Elise, but not together, and especially not with your ln. It feels both stilted and buzzy to my ears.

Elise Victoria, Elise Catalina, and Elise Renata (from your other thread) are equally lovely to me.

I also like Rose Renata as suggested above a lot, but I have a soft spot for alliteration.


May 14, 2012 10:08 AM

For me, Catalina is the island and then the salad dressing.  I also find it too similiar to use with Clair, but it could work as a middle name.

Between Rose Elise and Elise Victoria, I like the flow of Elise Victoria better.  

Rose Elise runs together a bit for me and sounds like I'm saying Rosalise, almost like a twist on Annalise.   That said, I love Rose, especially as a first name.   With a different middle, I think I would probably prefer it to Elise.  Rose Catalina or Rose Victoria maybe?

By hwar
May 14, 2012 11:18 PM

Of the names you propose, I strongly prefer Elise Victoria Burrows, although I think the Victoria could be replaced with something else (Renata or Catalina for example).  Rose Burrows repeats the same sound (Rose-Burr-Rose), although I realise your surname may be slightly different in actuality.  Elise is a great sibling name for Claire, and I like the subtle music references of each name (Für Elise and Clair de Lune), so they'd each have their own classical lullaby.  

For what it's worth, Catalina makes me think of the island first and salad dressing second.

May 15, 2012 2:28 PM

I agree with the others. Catlina=salad dressing and island

I think any of the choices: Elise Renata, Elise Victoria, or Elise Catalina work. I personally would pick Victoria as for me Catalina is  bit out there and Renata just doesn't compare to Renee which we've already discussed doesn't really work well. I also second the subtle tie-in to the music.

May 15, 2012 4:57 PM

I love the name Catalina!  I have great associations with the Island (went to Catalina Island sleep away camp over my summers as a kid and my grandparents were actually assigned to live there during WWII when my grandpa was in the Navy - as his "overseas" assignment!) and see it as a beautiful place name.

Having said that, I agree that in your case it's best as a MN (so as not to get boxed in with C names for possible future children and it sounds very exotic next to sweet Cla!r).

Rose Catalina or Elise Catalina are both lovely!

As for the poll, I also think Elise Victoria is the nicer of your two choices, but like Rose better as a FN.

May 16, 2012 5:56 PM

thanks all! i have my next dr. appt. next week, but still think it may be too early to tell the sex, i have a feeling that will happen around this time in june. i really like all your feedback and reasons, that is very helpful. i have now moved on to add Rebecca as a middle name suggestion. i haven't received any mail from my husband lately to find out his opinion on Renata, but right now i have grown a bit lukewarm to it. i still really like Victoria, and have pretty much given up on Rose after all these responses.though i love the idea of catalina, i'm still hesitant and uncomfortable with actually putting it to use just yet.

What are your thoughts on Elise Rebecca?


May 16, 2012 6:28 PM

Love it. It works really well when said as a whole name, including Burrows (assuming the double Rs are in your actual last name).

May 16, 2012 6:54 PM

I like your other choices better. Usually I like to repeat some sounds in the names but in this case it doesn't work for me. Elise Victoria or Elise Renata still the front runners. Remind me again what Cl@riss@'s mn is if you feel comfortable with that?

May 17, 2012 4:42 PM

hey zoerhenne! clair's middle name is Joyce after my mil.

May 17, 2012 5:57 PM

I thought I remembered Joy so I was close. In that case, I would further vote for Elise Victoria to keep the same feel with the names.

May 17, 2012 6:42 PM

thanks Zoerhenne


May 27, 2012 6:26 PM

I prefer Elise Victoria over Rose Elise. When I say the full names out loud, Rose Elise ends up sounding like "Rosalie's".

May 27, 2012 8:14 PM

thanks Nedra. i may find out the sex in early june, can't remember if i mentioned that before. as of this moment, i still have victoria and juliet, that i was toying around with before in my mind as middle name ideas. victoria is in first place though. hope my husband will feel the same or help me choose later, closer to the time. he is deployed now and we can't speak often enough.