Baby Number 3

Hello All!

We are expecting our third child in October - we will find out in May if we're having a boy or girl, but I like to have names picked out before then so that we can immediately start calling him/her by name. We currently have a 3yo daughter and a 1yo son:

Lily Elizabeth @llen

Reed Patrick @llen

Our current picks for child #3 are:

Beatrix Clare

Beatrix Iris


Hawthorne Davis

Bram Davis

Family reactions to our picks have been ... interesting. Everyone is too well-mannered to say anything negative (which I appreciate), but the overwhelming "oh" response isn't all that great either. What do you guys think? Are these names too far afield from our first two?

Beatrix is a memorial name for a beloved relative who passed a couple of years ago. Clare is for grand and great-grand mothers. Iris follows our four-letter botanical theme (I would actually prefer Iris Beatrix, but evidently Lily was the only botanical name my husband likes for girls). 

Hawthorne is botanical (although spelled like the surname which is also in my family tree). Davis is for my grandfather. Bram is the fore-runner - short, literary references, not overly common (learned from experience in naming my daughter). I have been surprised by the common reaction to Bram - people don't think of it as being a name!

Which of our finalists would you pick? Are we missing any obvious names that would fit in our sibset? (short, botanical, surname).

Thank you!



By Guest (not verified)
April 18, 2012 9:46 PM

Hyz here -- just a quick post to say I love your choices!  I love Iris, but I think Clare works better sound-wise as a MN for Beatrix.  The combination of -rix followed by -ris in Beatrix Iris sounds a bit repetetive to me.  Maybe Beatrix Ivy?   

For the boys, I think Hawthorne is awesome, but is a bit "different" (in a good way, I think! but it still may garner more of the reactions you've already been seeing) and maybe does take some confidence to pull off.  Having it in the family is a big help, though--should be a quick and easy explanation for any thoughtless commenters.  And Thor or Thorn could be pretty cool nns, too, if he wants them.  As for Bram, I know it's a name (I'd be inclined to tell people who asked, "yes, as in Bram Stoker's 'Dracula'" but maybe that's not the best association)--but it still feels a bit incomplete to me.  I like Abram a bit better, if that does anything for you.  I do adore Graham, though, and think it goes beautifully with your first two kids.  Other boy ideas, working off the botanical/nature theme--Silas, Linden, Forrest, Thornton, Calder, Walden, Heath, August, Rowan, Ronan, Asa, Orson.... I'm sure I'm forgetting some, but that's a start.  I do love Hawthorne, though, if you are bold enough to do it.

April 18, 2012 10:02 PM

I really like your options.  Beatrix/Bea goes well with Lily. I agree with hyz that I prefer the flow of Beatrix Clare to Beatrix Iris.  

I like both Hawthorne and Bram. I think the overall flow of the 3 names is slightly better for Hawthorne Davis so I'd probably go with that but both are great.  Hawthorn does have the advantage of the nicknames of Hawk, Thor and Thorne, all of which go wel with Reed and Lily.


By Guest (not verified)
April 18, 2012 10:20 PM

(hyz here again) Oooh, Hawk, I like that!  Score one more point for Hawthorne! :)

April 18, 2012 11:30 PM

tallen-I will also agree with hyz. Beatrix Clare is the best flow. I do like her suggestion of Beatrix Ivy as well. As far as the boys, I think both are bold choices. I would've also suggested Graham. I think they all match fine with each other though and having them as family names is a bonus. Other thoughts for both girls and boys:

G: Fern, Hazel, Juniper, Holly

B: Forrest, River, Canyon, Spruce?, Banyon,  

By Guest (not verified)
April 19, 2012 12:44 AM

Beatrix Clare is lovely and goes well with Lily and Reed.  Of your boy names, Bram just somehow.  Hawthorne Davis has a better ring to it, but Hawthorne comes across as much more preppy and complicated compared to the sweet simplicity of Lily and Reed.  The suggested nicknames help with that a lot--I love Thorne!  Other suggestions, Sage, Heath or Rowan for boys. More subtle botanical names for girls that your husband might like...maybe Linnea or Daphne?

April 19, 2012 7:58 AM

Thank you all for your comments so far!

I agree with all of you - Beatrix Clare does have the better flow, I've just been torn by the idea of breaking up the "set". My sister had a botanical middle name (more on that in a sec), and it became her signature. I was always jealous! I do love Clare for many reasons and little Bea can always have a bee for her special signature.

I had to laugh when you all backed up Beatrix Ivy - Ivy Beatrix was MY number one name choice, but Ivy is my sister's middle name and she and my husband have a rocky relationship to say the least! My sister has always gone by a nickname that is spelled and pronounced like Ivy with a "K" in front, so Ivy will always bring my sister to mind.

We're actually thinking of Torr for a Hawthorne nickname - I have a very cool, very swedish older cousin with Torr as a given name and so now Thor doesn't sound right to my ear.

I like Hawk, but it's a bit out there for my husband and would be interesting considering that my sister just had a daughter named Kestrel - "Kes". As an aside, my step-sister is expecting a girl in a couple of months and is planning on naming her Sequoia - obviously nature naming runs in the family!

Graham was on our short-list for a while, but we both decided that between Bram and Graham, we preferred Bram. It looks like we are truly in the minority in our love for the name - something that's good to know if we decide to go with it!

Thank you for all the boy name suggestions - for some reason I am much pickier with boy botanicals than girl!

Keep the comments coming!


By EVie
April 19, 2012 4:16 PM

Wow, pass along my compliments to your sister for her choice—Kestrel nn Kes is just fantastic! It's bold, but without sacrificing a feminine sound—I wish I could pull off something like that (but my husband would never, ever go for it).

As far as your options go, I actually think they're all great and that you can't go wrong with whatever you choose. I really like the idea of Beatrix having a bee as her symbol. I would probably go with Hawthorne over Bram, but mostly just because I like all the jaunty nicknames you have to choose from.

April 19, 2012 8:51 AM

Some other mn ideas to go with Beatrix:

Aster, Calla, Camille, Zinnia, Violet, Lark, Fawn, Wren, Paloma, Cricket

By hyz
April 19, 2012 9:36 AM

That's funny about Ivy. :)  I like zoerhenne's suggestions of Hazel, Holly, Violet, Camille, and Juniper best for flow between Beatrix and the LN.  Other ideas... Poppy, Dahlia, Tulip, Flora, Fleur, Daisy, Jonquil, Narscissa, Nigella, Tansy, Lavender, Clover, Thistle, Hyacinth....  The problem is that most of the names ending in -a or -n don't flow so well with your LN, so that does limit the field a bit.  Have you thought about branching out (ha ha, no pun intended) to other natural elements?  Ruby and Pearl sound great to me, for instance.   

By Guest (not verified)
April 19, 2012 10:45 AM

Even without a "flower" name, I love the idea of Bea (bee) with a botanical sibset-makes the theme less "plant" and more "garden".  

April 20, 2012 11:24 AM

I really like your picks - they make a nice balance of distinguished and fun (especially with the nicknames), and the nature theme is pleasant but subtle. (I do love bolder nature names too, though; I have a serious name crush on your sister's choice of Kestrel!)

I agree with others that Beatrix Clare flows better than Beatrix Iris (a bit rhymey) and that having the bee for her symbol is a good "solution" for giving her a nature reference like her siblings'. If you are still brainstorming, other nature options I don't think I saw mentioned (but may have missed) are:

Bettony, Brook(e), Bryony, Coral, Daisy, Estelle/Stella, Fern, Flora, Juniper/June, Lark, Laurel, Linnet,

Marigold, May, Opal, Olive, Pearl, Poppy, Robin, Rosemary, Ruby, Skye, Tansy, Yarrow, Willow, Wren

Hawthorne is striking, the literary reference is a plus, and the nickname options are indeed great! I know Tor (or spelled Thor but pronounced the same) means "gate" in German, which has a nice metaphorical resonance to it; I wonder if Torr has a non-name meaning in Swedish. (It's also a unit of barometric pressure, but that wouldn't put me off unless the close family includes any meteorologists who are the type to "pressure" him about it!) The one thing I'd point out about Hawthorne Davis @llan is that it gives him three surname-type names of which the actual surname is the one most known as a given name, which may lead to some confusion. Your experience with Reid will provide some guidance here, but Reid is much more familiar as a first name than Hawthorne.

Bram may be a slightly different style from your other choices, but I don't think it clashes and is also a handsome choice. It may be misheard as the more familiar Graham.

Other boy options (again hoping not too many repeats) are below. I've thrown out some more surnames, but in your shoes would certainly go with the handsome one from your own family tree! The rest are nature names and a few more that just seemed to me like they would fit:

Ash, August, Austin, Basil, Beck(ett/ford), Bertram/Bertrand (means "bright raven"), Bracken,

Brook(e), Bruno, Cedar, Chadwick, Clark, Clay(ton), Corvin, Craig, Crispin, Drake, Ford(ham), Fox,

Griffin/Griffith, Heath(cliff), Jasper, Lambert, Leon/Leonard/Lionel, Oliver, Orson,

Robin, Rook, Rowan, Rufus, Russell, Sedge, Skyler, Sylvan/Sylvester, Verne/Vernon/Vernor, Winslow

April 27, 2012 10:31 PM

On skimming the other posts I haven't seen Fleur mentioned. I have three daughters with botanical middle names. I posted on here a couple of years ago having trouble thinking up a third and some inspired regular poster (can't remember who now, sorry) suggested Fleur, which hadn't occured to me and didn't show up on botanical name lists I was searching. As soon as my husband heard it he was sold, so it might have the same result with yours?

April 28, 2012 12:42 AM

I know a B@asil and Ced@r sibset and I think both of those would work for a boy (B is a girl).  I like Beatrix Clare more than Beatrix Iris because I think the latter sounds a little sing-songy.  When I see Bram I immediately get the literary reference.  I like Hawthorne (also literary) better with Reed and Lily because of the botanical theme.

April 29, 2012 1:39 AM

Have you thought about Briar for a girl? Short and botanical, could work well with Lily and Reed.