Couple of other ideas for girls

I posted earlier about Lucy and Grace as long time front runners if this new baby is a girl.  For the time being, my husband and I have set aside our favorites and are looking for some new options.  Specifically, I was looking for names that I thought flowed a bit better with our last name Tys0n -- Lucy and Grace are both a little "s" heavy with Tys0n.  So I'd love some thoughts and suggestions for middle name combinations for Lydia, Julia, Maria and Mary.  (For Mary we're thinking Mary Louise)

Our older kids are P@ul, Cl@r3, M@rk, K@th@r1n3, J@m3s, and Andr3w.  I know M@ry and M@ri@ are a bit close to M@rk but he'll be nearly 11 when the baby is born so it dosn't bother me as much as say using Anna with Andrew who will only be 2 years old when the baby comes.

(On the boy front, Peter is the clear front runner.)


January 14, 2016 9:59 AM

I just realize I entitled this "a couple" of ideas; initially I was thinking I'd ask for feedback on Lydia and Julia because those seem to be the new ones we're talking about most.  I just couldn't resist throwing Maria and Mary in there as well.

January 14, 2016 11:00 AM

I really love Maria for you. And Julia, those are my favorites from your list. The good thing about these two names is that you have a great variety of nicknames and they are both timeless and in my opinion lovely. Also, I don't think it to be a big deal that M@rk and a potential Mary or Maria would share an initial, not only because of the age gap, but because it's a good way to bring the much older brother closer to his baby sister.

I would also like to suggest Helen or Helena for you, they're very beautiful; and also Teresa (St. Teresa D'Avila and Mother Teresa are the perfect namesakes I think), Josephine, Margaret, Cecilia, Agnes, Rose and Frances... although I know you're reluctant to repeat initials of siblings closer in age.

But yeah, between Julia, Maria, Mary and Lydia, the first two are my favorite for you.

What about Lucia (Loo-CEE-ah) as an alternative to Lucy?

January 14, 2016 11:23 AM

I just remembered a couple of names you might like: Beatrix or Beatrice, Dorothy (the nickname Dot/Dottie is adorable), Rosalia, Flora and Monica.

January 14, 2016 11:36 AM

Thanks for the suggestions!  I've had a long time love affair with Theresa so that suggestion is spot on.  My husband doesn't really like it with our last name and we have a new God-daughter with the name so it's probably off the table --- though I could see it re-emerging.

We also both love Nell so Helen(a) is a good idea; but Helen(a) seems so far removed from Nell that we've never really come around to it.  But again it is lovely, saintly, and underused.  So maybe.

What were some of the nicknames for Julia that you were thinking of?  I see Jules as cool but am afraid that Julie would slip out accidently and that does seem somewhat dated.

January 14, 2016 12:00 PM

My mother's name is Jul1a, and she's always been nicknamed Julietta or Juliet, which are diminutives of her name but can also work as individual names. Also, Juju, Jewel, Jay and surprisingly Jude or Judy for a girl (The song "Hey Jude" was for John Lennon's son Julian, so why not).

January 14, 2016 12:03 PM

I'm also wondering what nicknames the previous poster was thinking of.

It's funny, I've had several nicknames in Hungarian over the years, but in English I'm always just Julia. My daughter's classmate Julia also doesn't have a nickname, although the Juliana in the other class is often called Jules by her mother. (I don't care for this nickname, because it's too much Mr. Verne.) I suppose you could use Jewel or Jule (rhymes with 'yule'), or an elaboration like Julissa, or chop off the beginning to get Lia...

(In Hungarian, I'm mostly Juli /YOU-lee/, but when I was little I was Julika /YOU-lee-kah/ and Juli baba /YOU-lee BAH-bah/; my dad called me the latter all his life. Oh, and of course there's Kisjuli 'little Juli' /KEESH-you-lee/. My daughter is often Julcsi /YULE-chee/.)

Your feeling about the datedness of Julie is accurate: it's really the only name in the whole Juli-family that's at all time-stamped. (There's a discussion on another current thread about whether Julie is a nickname for Julia in the first place. I say it's a very obvious one, but for some reason not everyone agrees.)

January 14, 2016 11:33 AM

Putting a vote in for my name, Julia. Pretty much its only drawback for your set is that it repeats an initial with James.

Mark and Mary are weird: they sound and feel totally different, yet they're only one letter apart. I'd counsel against the pairing for siblings close in age (especially twins), but I think with a decade and three other siblings between, it'd be fine.

The only name from your current list that I haven't encountered recently on small children is Maria. Grace and Julia are currently tied for the position of Julianna's best friend, Lucy was a little cousin of a classmate last year, Mary was a classmate two years ago, and Lydia is the baby of frequently-encountered fellow history nuts. Oh, and Peter was a classmate last year.

For middle names, perhaps you could use one of the names that have been ruled out due to sound or sibling conflict? Lydia Anne, Julia Grace, Maria Lucia. (Mary Louise is great.)

January 14, 2016 11:50 AM

Thanks for the input.  Yeah the main mix up I forsee with Mark and Mary (and Maria) is that I text my husband a lot throughout the day and it could be confusing.  Of course I bet the context would reveal small little girl or pre-teen/teenage boy.

I hear Lucy on small children quite a bit in both my Catholic circle and out and about around town.  But Clare/Claire is popular in my daughter's age cohort as well.

January 14, 2016 12:37 PM

I really like Mary and Maria. Perhaps Maria in your case to provide a little bit more visual differentiation from Mark, but I think either could work. They are probably my favourites for you.

I'm also a big fan of Lydia. It sounds quite different from your other children to me, but that's no reason not to use it (and I suppose you would have two "Bennett sisters"). Julia, meanwhile, seems to slot in perfectly with the rest of them.

January 14, 2016 7:17 PM

Does Lydia sount quite different to others' ears as well?

January 15, 2016 6:51 PM

It does, a little bit. I think the Jane Austen/Bennet family comparison is appropos, especially since almost all of your other girls' names appear in Austen's works.

The Bennet sisters, in order, were Jane, Elizabeth, Mary, Catherine (aka Kitty), and Lydia. So far as I know, Lydia is the ONLY one of these names that did not appear at least once on another character in another Jane Austen work, and at the time I suspect it had a pretty distinctly romantic, inspired-by-a-novel feel (or inspired-by-a-play--Lydia Languish is the very silly heroine of the late 18th century classic The Rivals). The passing of the centuries have softened this, so Lydia feels much more like the other Austen names than different, but for me at least it does have just a tiny little more air of the romantical or flamboyant than your other choices.

January 14, 2016 7:23 PM

Happened to mention the names to my mom and I noticed she said Julia with only 2 syllables.  The ending was more of a -ya rather than a distinguishable i-a.  It wasn't nearly as pretty.  I noticed on the Julia page on this site a Julia complained of the same pronunciation.  Is this a common issue?

January 14, 2016 9:42 PM

Not in my experience, or at any rate I've never noticed anyone saying my name with only two syllables. Granted, I'm from a bilingual family, so I'm pretty tolerant about name variations; I'm not sure I'd even notice a difference between a 2.5-syllable pronunciation and the full 3-syllable one I use. Maybe I'm the wrong person to ask... But I can attest that it is possible to go for 44 years with this name without two-syllable pronunciations being at all a problem.

January 15, 2016 1:13 AM

Depending on where you live will change the frequency of it happening - as a Julia in Australia, it doesnt happen frequently but it does happen. My sister liked to tease me when I was a child by calling me Jul-ya (in a strong bogan Australian accent), while the English and South Africans seem to pronounce it with 3 syllables. In my experience American's and Canadians are slightly more prone to the 2 syllable pronounciation - if it is not 2 syllables it is rather joined. I wouldnt say it is a dealbreaker to not use Julia though. 

January 15, 2016 3:27 PM

I really love Lydia for you. She would have her own initial which I think is important with siblings. Julia and Maria are good too with you children's names just not my favourites. Mary I think is to close to Mark for my liking.

For what it's worth I don't think Lucy and Grace are to S heavy with your surname. In fact I prefer them to any other names you are considering.

January 15, 2016 5:34 PM

That helps!  I was sort of sad to not have Grace on our list anymore and I was starting to wonder if I was over-thinking things just a bit.

January 15, 2016 6:00 PM

I don't think Grace or Lucy pose any issue with your last name. I think the strong T sound between the S sounds helps really break them up, as opposed to something softer like Grace Austin. 

January 15, 2016 10:35 PM

As the mother of a Mary, that is my favorite. Julia is a close second and was on my list for both our girls. Mary Louise is lovely. We chose Mary Elizabeth. If I would have a Julia, I would have used Julia Karin (a family name) or Julia Katherine (I know you have a daughter Katherine so that won't work). 

January 16, 2016 6:33 AM

Do you like Julianna? I do not remember your other children's middle names but if Ann/Anna is available, this solves the 2 syllable pronunciation question of Julia. Plus, it is gorgeous! And it gives sister Katherine some company with a longer name. It would be lovely with Grace as a middle.

Julianna Grace


January 17, 2016 12:44 PM

I love both Lydia and Julia! They are equally beautiful in my book and both on my short list of favorites. Maria is NMS, but I do also love Mary Louise- another on my short list that I would use with the nn Marlo. With all of your kids having very classic names, I think Mary Louise really does go well with the bunch. Any of the ones you have listed, though, really do work. Good luck!