Eleanor? Or stick with Rosalie??

hello!

I posted previously asking about Rosalie, Scarlett or Evelyn for baby girl #2 a few weeks ago and since then I think we’ve decided against Evelyn (too similar to sister, Ava) and Scarlett (we aren’t fond of the NN ‘Scar’). 

Rosalie (NN Rosie) is still at the top but another name that keeps coming up lately is Eleanor. 

In my opinion, one advantage Eleanor has over Rosalie is that it’s ranked higher in popularity (which most would consider a negative, but I actually prefer a more familiar, less obscure name, as I’ve mentioned before.) Rosalie certainly is not too ‘out there’ but it still worries me a tiny bit as far as it being a little more ‘risky‘ than some of my other options.  Whereas Eleanor seems much more familiar. 

 

On the other hand, the advantage Rosalie has over Eleanor is that I like the nicknames Rosie/Ro much better than Ellie, Elle bc they’re more refreshing and not so overdone. (I know, I know, I’m reeaaalllly trying to achieve that perfect medium between not too overdone and not too different :)  ...and the nickname would be used often so it’s very important in this naming decision. 

I also truly like the sound of the full name Rosalie better than the sound of Eleanor. I think Eleanor is pretty and vintage, but the “nor” ending is throwing me off a bit. But I think Rosalie is so, so pretty!

 

It’s almost as if I wish there were a big, beloved celebrity who named their daughter Rosalie which gave it more familiarity. In a perfect world, right?! :) 

Am I overthinking the fact that Rosalie is a little less familiar? It IS offering everything else we are looking for.. I just don’t want to be annoyed if it’s confused with other ‘Rose’ names or I hear “ohh that’s a name I’ve never heard of!”

 

 

Any advice always helps :)

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April 26, 2018 9:47 PM

I think Rosalie is fine. I dont think its less familar at all.  Pretty name,  I prefer it to Eleanor

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April 26, 2018 11:29 PM

(Yay! Forum posts!)

I encounter Rosalie (well, OK, technically Rozália) left and right in 19th-20th century genealogical records, so it feels totally familiar to me.

Also, Rosalie is a major character in the Twilight books and movies, so there's a significant portion of the population who will not find it unfamiliar because of that association.

Rosalie versus Eleanor for me is pretty much a chocolate-or-bacon choice, but it sounds like you actually really like Rosalie better, so you should stick with Rosalie.

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April 26, 2018 11:51 PM

So glad this thing is working again! 

It seems like you are in love with Rosalie and just getting cold feet. I don't think Rosalie is unfamiliar at all (then again, I'm a name nerd), yet I still am always pleasantly surprised to hear it. With all of the -ly names in circulation these days, you have nothing to worry about. Other than maybe a misspelling now and then, it won't cause you any problems. It's a perfect balance between recognizable and unique. If you love it, just do it, it's a great name!

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April 27, 2018 5:45 AM

I agree with others that it sounds like you actually prefer Rosalie, and that it's not so obscure that it's likely to cause you much grief (particularly with the Twilight tie-in).

I do think there's no name so familiar that it won't get mangled sometimes. I would expect Eleanor to get misspelled sometimes, despite that being far and away the most usual spelling. I've said it before, but I have a super-successful name which has nonetheless been spelled Emili, Emally, and recently, bafflingly, Emylie, AND people have thought I was a man based on my name. So I do think cultivating a zen attitude to the odd question you get (on either name) is probably not a bad idea.

The time of life when a child is being introduced to new people frequently is pretty short, also. I have sisters with extremely unusual names (we're talking never in the top 1000), and while there were definitely questions sometimes, they now move in circles where people know them, know how to spell them, and it never really comes up.

Anyway, Eleanor and Rosalie are both beautiful names, so I don't think you can really go wrong...I would go with your preferences, accept that you may have doubts in the early days but that it will probably sound right eventually.

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April 27, 2018 7:39 AM

Emily— Thanks for reminding me that the time period in which a child is first introduced to the world is short-lived...that is a really good point! While I will not at all be ’afraid’ to announce that “Rosalie” is her name, I guess it does somewhat give me a bit of hesitation bc it is more uncommon than what I’m used to. I think that’s my biggest hang-up w Rosalie — “how will it be perceiced at first?” 

We have told a few groups of family/friends so far and mostly feedback is great but every now and then I have heard “that’s different“ or did you say last week you liked the name  ’Roslyn‘ for your daughter?”

But after awhile it will just become her name and I’m giessind that will not be an issue. On the other hand the things that are most important to me will never change- like her nicknames options, length, the sound & femininity of the name, how it compliments her sisters name, etc..

So thank you!!

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April 27, 2018 10:41 AM

I think you've gotten a lot of great advice already. I'll just note that the SS name data will be coming out in a couple of weeks (early or mid-May is typical), so you'll be able to see if Rosalie's recent popularity is continuing. My guess is that it will continue to see steady use, and will be more and more familiar even to folks who don't pay much attention to names.

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April 27, 2018 7:50 PM

one website I just looked at said Rosalie is going up in popularity 15 % this week and Eleanor down 5 % - I think its a pretty name and lots of sweet nn

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April 28, 2018 8:46 AM

thanks Suzanne! I’m curious, which site said it was on the rise? id love to see which other names are on the rise .....

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April 28, 2018 11:17 AM

Ok so I think I’ve pin-pointed one other aspect of the name Rosalie that’s giving me some hesitation... and perhaps I start a new post on this topic..but I’ll throw it out there:

Does ’Rosalie’ give off a sense of amy specific ethnicity? I’ve recently heard from a family member it makes them think of Italian or spanish heritage. This is by no means a bad thing and I don’t want to offend anyone (I am half Italian myself :) ...however I do not prefer a name that gives off a heavy ethnic vibe, if that makes sense. 

I believe the technical origin of ‘Rosalie’ is French, but other than name buffs most people don’t pay attention to that.                     Does ‘Rosalie’ make you think of once certain ethnicity, or am I again overthinking??

thanks!

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By EVie
April 28, 2018 1:19 PM

That's a firm negative. Italian or Spanish would be Rosalia. Rosalie is the French, German, Dutch and English form of the name. (I am Italian. Rosalie is not Italian). 

12
April 28, 2018 4:24 PM

This. No idea where your relatives got that idea, but ignore it.

13
April 28, 2018 6:09 PM

Yep. Rosalia might make me guess Italian or Spanish, Rosita would definitely make me think Spanish, Rosalie does not at all. 

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April 28, 2018 5:04 PM

Overthinking,  Doesnt make me think Italian/Spanish. 

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April 28, 2018 6:33 PM

Yeah, no. Maybe the relative was focusing on the Rosa part, but Rosie and Rosalie are not heavily ethnic one way or the other.

For what it's worth, my aunt -- a Jewish woman born in the early 1950s -- reports that her name is well-received and gives her no trouble. She's never used the nickname Rosie, but I would think that it would be one of the easiest nicknames to live with, being one of the most familiar anglophone nicknames around.

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April 29, 2018 10:06 AM

Definitely not. I'm based in Spain, where there is currently a popular singer called Rosalia, but Rosalie reads completely English/French to me on first hearing.

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April 28, 2018 8:37 PM

Thanks for the responses about the ethnicity question! It helps to hear from all of you :)

Karyn, what is your aunts full name?

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April 28, 2018 8:53 PM

Her middle or her last name? I'm not going to post her last name, but it's not a name that anyone would come up with when compiling a list of stereotypical Jewish surnames. 

Her middle name is Evelyn. My grandparents (okay, let's be honest, my grandma) were ahead of the curve with her name!

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April 28, 2018 8:58 PM

I’m sorry, I meant her first name..haha. I should have been more specific. I’m guessing it was Rosalie, but you didn’t actually say, you just said her nickname was not ”Rosie“

 

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April 28, 2018 9:51 PM

Oh, haha, that's true! I thought that it was obvious given the conversation, but I could have specified :) 

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April 30, 2018 3:02 PM

I really like Ro and Rosie as nicknames and don't care for Ellie at all.  So I'd vote Rosalie.  I've had Eleanor on my own list to get to Nell but usually I nix it fairly quickly because I'm afraid she'll decide to be an Ellie at some point.

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April 30, 2018 10:08 PM

Thank you for the input! And I totally agree- I’m over “Ellie” whereas Ro and Rosie are fun and refreshing:)

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May 2, 2018 10:45 AM

The 2017 baby name list for Quebec is out and Rosalie is the #8 name! Yes, those are largely French-speaking parents, but the current trend in Quebec is for Francophones to give their kids English names/names that are popular among English speakers -- for the most part names that are also popular in the States. (The rest of the top 10: Emma, Lea, Alice, Olivia, Florence, Charlotte, Charlie, Beatrice, and Zoe.) Rosalie is in the midst of a comeback.

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May 2, 2018 9:20 PM

Karyn, thank you so much for thinking of me and letting me know these stats!! It makes me happy to know this name is on the rise & gaining more recognition/popularity. Yay!

id love to look at the rest is Quebec’s list..do you have a link? 

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May 2, 2018 9:44 PM

I found this. It looks legit, though I don't know if it was what Karyn was looking at. You can play with the number of rankings listed and if you want to see boy and/or girl name rankings: 

https://www.rrq.gouv.qc.ca/en/enfants/banque_prenoms/Pages/banque_prenoms.aspx

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May 2, 2018 9:53 PM

Yes, that's the official government website. You can search for an individual name and see how many times it was used each year (going back to 2012) or if you list by popularity and select "ALL", you can see a list of every single name used in the province.

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May 11, 2018 3:03 PM

Thanks for the heads up! I actually just saw and I’m glad it has gained a few spots :)

Is an 18 spot jump a big change from the previous year? I’m not super familiar with how much a name stat typically changes in ranking.. does anyone know? 

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May 11, 2018 3:48 PM

In this case, the 18 spots correspond to 98 more babies, or a difference of 0.0068% in the percentage of babies born. As a point of comparison, the fastest-rising boy's name, Maverick, rose 139 places with 1762 more babies and a percentage difference of 0.0933%.