FIrst Name For Lórien

First name ideas for _____ Lórien? 

Last name Wilder. We fancy celestial, aquatic, nature, mythological/fantasy, strong or ancient-style names. Doesnt necessarily have to be within those parameters, as we have a soft spot for any kind of offbeat names really.

I'm over the moon for Luna as a first name, but are the double Ls too much? Otherwise, the best we've come up with (that we both like) so far is Fiona. Love the flow of that all together, but I'm not totally sold on it. Thoughts and ideas? 


May 7, 2017 8:12 AM

Luna Lorien is ok,  but I love Fiona Lorien Wilder


others that come to mind


Celeste  Calanthe  Xanthe  Cassandra

Jacinta  Annelise   Arabella  Katerina

Seraphina Penelope  Rosalba

Vanessa  Bianca Camille  Estelle

Katrina Portia Calista  Genevieve

Imogen Vivienne  Nerissa Nerida

Nadia Nadine Neroli Calliope

May 7, 2017 9:22 AM

Yes husband is a big fan of Fiona too. I love it also (we aren't really considering anything I didn't throw into the hat to begin with hah, he's not a planner). I'm a big fan of Ms. Apple but almost everyone we share the name with goes straight to Shrek. I'd think that would be a fading trend but daaang has that franchise endured. How many movies are they up to now? Hah. I just don't want our little one to be associated with an ogre forever and that gives me pause.

May 7, 2017 7:48 AM

I think you should go with the first name that you are really excited about and love rather than settling for one that is "the best we've come up with" and you only like based on the middle name choice (which will be hidden most of the time and a majority of people across her life will never know). If you had two names you loved equally then it would make sense to use middle name flow as a decider but I don't think it does when you have one name you like far more than others. As it happens I think the double Ls in Luna Lórien are quite plesant, the difference in the other sounds and the fact that they have different syllables and stress patterns means they flow quite nicely.

If you are determind to keep looking some other names that meet your criteria which you might like: Stella/Estelle, Cleo, Juno, Chloë, Freya, Violet, Juniper, Gaia, Xanthe, Nova, Althea, Calla (you have quite a broad category there so these are just the first handful I thought of, maybe let us know if anything from the suggestions jump out at you or if you had other names you liked but couldn't use for some reason).  

May 7, 2017 9:19 AM

You hit on a few of the names we've considered but couldn't use (Stella, Freya, Juniper and Violet). I love Violet as a name but the hard i's in the first and last name together threw us off. 

Hah yea I'm casting a rather wide net bc I don't want to exclude any with good potential. I'm open to a lot.

Other firsts we've thought about: River, Gemma, Zelda, Phoebe, Diana, Astrid, Bellatrix, Tallulah, Lydia, Magnolia, on and so forth. Hah, we've even started throwing around Eleven as we've swam out deeper into the waters of unnamed baby confusion. 

Ive also considered just sticking with Luna and using Belle as a middle (it's a family name) and I find it quite beautiful, but we've been circling around Lórien so long its hard to un-marry ourselves from it.

My hesitation with Luna at this point (which I've loved for years also) is the skyrocketing in popularity recently. Do you guys think our little belly bean will have to contend with lots of other Luna's in her grade? 


May 7, 2017 4:54 PM

Having a wide net is a good thing in general I think, but it does mean the lists of potential suggestions can get quite long and maybe a little overwhelming! From reading your responses I'm feeling like the most important things to you are the overall sound of the name and that it not be highly popular, with the meaning/association being third. I'm glad I was on track with a few suggestions, I really felt like Freya or Violet would be a good fit for you so that's disappointing that you can't use them. I'll try and see if I can come up with some more along those lines. :)

Luna Belle is really cute, very happy and bouncy, I think that would be a lovely name to use. But Lórien is a beautiful name so I can see why you might not want to let it go if it's been in the running for a long time (I still say Luna Lórien has a nice flow, maybe not the most perfect ever but definitely plesant).

Popularity is almost impossible to call, you could take a look and see where Luna stands once the SSA baby name data comes out soon, but whatever it says you can't know for sure she'll be the only one in her grade (which is true for just about any name) because it's not uncommon to find 'pockets' of a certain name in certain communities. It's quite possible that you could end up with a class where there are two children with a name that ranked #200 nationally but only one child with a name ranked #35. I would urge you not to give up on a name you have loved for years because you're worried about the *chance* of her having a child with that same name in her grade. Unless you find a name you love as much I think in the long run you are more likely to regret not using it. [side note: belly bean is the cutest in-utero nickname I've heard, I love it!]

May 7, 2017 8:53 AM

I've been trying to get my husband to agree to Lorien or Lothlorien for years! (It's not going to happen) I'm so excited that someone is planning to use it. My personal favorites were Gwendolen Lorien and Gweneth Lothlorien. 

May 7, 2017 5:17 PM

Right!? I got reeeally lucky that my dude is a huge LOTR nerd also. We love that it is beautiful and hardly used at all and the cool meaning (dream). I'd almost be inclined to use it as a first but I don't want her to always be dropping the accent mark or having to correct pronunciation all the time (future baby girl: "No no, it's Lórien, not Lauren"). So I figure it's safer as a middle. 

I like Gwen- names too. They fit well with that old-English sort of vibe but unfortunately hubs does not share my appreciation for that prefix on a name. Can't win 'em all lol. 

May 7, 2017 11:40 AM

I really like Luna and Fiona. Here are some other options...

Annika, Auden, Avalon, Artemis, Athena, Astrid, Calliope, Cleo, Cora, Dahlia, Daphne, Delta, Echo, Eden, Estelle, Freya, Halley, Hero, Jade, Jerusha, Leona, Lyra, Meridian, Marina, Maya, Naia, Nina, Odessa, Ruby, River, Stella, Sienna, Selena, Serena, Sklyer, Scout, Tallulah, Thalia, Vada, Vida, Valor, Violet, Wren, Wilder, Winter, Xanthe, Zelda, Zora

May 7, 2017 1:37 PM

Um, the surname is Wilder, so maybe not Wilder Wilder, although I went to school with a Russ3ll Russ3ll.

Maybe Elanor, although that may be overmuch LOTR.

May 7, 2017 2:49 PM

Haha, I did not see that.

May 7, 2017 8:12 PM

I'm a fan of alliteration within reason (the "within reason" part obviously being very subjective), and this name falls within the right range for me. Something like Laura Lórien would be too much, but I like Luna Lórien.

One possibility that occurs to me: You could split the difference, and use Leona (or maybe Leonie). That still falls in the "pleasingly musical" range with Lórien for me, and is quite a bit less popular at the moment than either Fiona or Luna (though neither of those is what I'd call really popular, even nowadays when no name even comes close to the popularity of a 1970s Jennifer, let alone a 1900s Mary).

May 10, 2017 9:27 PM

Hah thank you it makes me feel a bit better know it's not too much! Leona is beautiful but I feel if we *do* go the alliterative route I'd have to stay with Luna because we are already smitten with it (and in addition to LOTR we are big ole space nerds). :D 

May 8, 2017 4:17 AM

I really like the name Fiona but Luna Lórien is a fantastic combination -- quite mystical and perhaps bordering on esoteric, but as Lórien is the middle name I don't think that is important.

Popularity is a niggle but Luna is not that popular. I have a daughter who's English name is at a similar popularity level and I have not yet run into any others. Of course, these things and your daughter could end up having others in her school -- in which case she could always choose to go by the first-middle combo; that would be lovely.

May 10, 2017 9:28 PM

It is rather lyrical. My family thinks I'm nuts but I just love that middle for sure. Makes anything next to it sound quite beautiful. 

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May 8, 2017 12:55 PM

I really like Luna Lorien Wilder. If that's your favorite name and DH is on board, I don't see any need to keep looking. 

May 8, 2017 10:11 PM

Both Luna and Fiona are beautiful and you clearly love them.  Go for it.  I get the sense you've got your favorite names, and are now over-thinking them.  Neither Shrek nor the double L is a big deal.  REALLY!

That said, other names in your criteria: Avalon, Maeve, Cerridwen, Rhiannon, Demeter, Marina, Miranda....


May 10, 2017 9:29 PM

I'm definitely an over-thinker (obviously!)

Thanks for being a voice of reason haha.

May 9, 2017 12:34 AM

I can go either way on alliteration depending on the specific names in question, and I think Luna Lórien is lovely! I also love Luna Wilder! I was really surprised to just check and find Luna as popular as she is, since I haven't come across any little Lunas. I think this is likely a name whose popularity varies greatly from one area to the next, so the national rankings can be misleading for overall popularity.

I didn't think Fiona was so strongly associated with Shrek still, and, of course, whether that puts you off the name or not is all about personal preference.

Selena and Selene are 'moon' names like Luna that aren't as popular.

Another name that comes to mind for you since it has similar sounds to Luna and Fiona, fits multiple categories you listed above (aquatic, nature, mythological/fantasy), and is very rare in the U.S. is Ondina. It comes from the Italian word for wave (as in an ocean wave not waving hello/goodbye) and is associated with ondines/undines, the group of elemental beings associated with water, which includes mermaids, nereides, and naiades. There's also the French form Ondine. Ondina is the name of one of the mermaids in the Netflix show Mako Mermaids, but I don't think that's a well-known association.

Some others you might like, sorry if there's any repeats: Isla, Ivy, Maeve, Athena, Diana, Serena, Celeste, Saga, Fionnuala, Gwendolen, Morwenna

May 9, 2017 2:58 AM

Good suggestion with Ondina. There's also Ona, which also means wave, is contained within Fiona and has a similar sound to Luna... and Ona leads me to Oona or Una perhaps.

Ona and Luna strike me as similar in that they are both nature names, but they seem to veer more onto the name side rather than the extreme nature side of the spectrum.

May 12, 2017 11:25 AM

So, 2016 name stats are out, and Luna has broken into the top 100: it's at #77, up from #110 the previous year. The overall trajectory is looking rather witch-hat-like (well, half of one, anyway), just with a veeerrry wide brim. Dunno what this means for the usability of the name for you, specifically.

May 12, 2017 11:00 PM

Right that's what's got me a lil worried. I've seen it's hovering around the 30s for 2017 so far, of course we don't know how it'll land for sure until the year is over. I was hoping regionally it might not be so popular around here. I live in in the south. But a girl at my work has a little Luna so I'm waffling. 

May 13, 2017 11:17 PM

Is it really a problem if your child shares her name with a few others? Think of "popular" as "well-liked", and don't let other people decide for you. (Popularity is a numerical representation of other parents' choices. If you talk yourself out of a name just because other parents have chosen it as well, you're essentially allowing those other parents to make your decision for you.)

For some perspective... Luna was given to 3645 babies in the U.S. last year, which is 0.1898% of female births. That's less than one in 500. In 1995, that percentage of baby girls fell somewhere between Jamie (rank 93) and Kaitlin (rank 94). In 1972 (the year I was born), it fell somewhere between Carla and Deanna (106/107th). I cannot recall a single Carla or Deanna in my acquaintance, in school or since. (Ditto for Jamie and Kaitlin, but I don't know very many twenty-somethings.)

May 14, 2017 8:31 AM

This is a great point. Also - my name is Elizabeth (which to my knowledge has never dipped below top 10) and I can count on one hand the Elizabeths I have met in my entire life. I have always been the only one in my school classes/even work environments. Sheer numeric "popularity" doesn't always mean everything - there are so many other factors. 

May 15, 2017 1:03 AM

According to the SSA, the lowest Elizabeth has ever ranked is 26th, in 1948. It currently ranks 13th. So yeah, perennial favorite, but use "only out of the top 25 once in 135 years" for a more accurate -- and more impressive! -- description. :-)

But your main point stands: numeric popularity is only a small part of the equation. The other factors are totally unpredictable random coincidences. I just had a conversation today that supplied another anecdote: at a smallish suburban elementary school, there are currently two boys named Odin.

May 15, 2017 6:06 PM

Yes! Thanks for the fact check - I had never really dug for the numbers. Funny about the two Odins!

May 14, 2017 7:47 PM

You both make good points. I think what has me steering away from anything popular is the way I grew up. I was one of those with a suuuuper popular name born in the 80s (ranked in the top 10-20). There were always 3-7 other girls with my name in my grade (different spellings but said the same - much like all the Ashley/Ashleigh/Ashlees) and in high school a girl transferred to my school who had both my first and last name (buhhh). We all had to be qualified by our last initial or full name (or in the case of the other same first/last - our physical differences lol). 

So I decided pretty early on that I wanted my kid to have something of their own, or at least that they didn't have to share with a ton of other folks. It's just unfortunate for me that most of my long-coveted names are also beloved by many of my peers currently having kiddos - which isn't too surprising I suppose. Zeitgeist and whatnot. :P

May 14, 2017 8:27 PM

I'm going to make a throw-back reference to the Ethel-Mae Postulate and note that no matter how unusual a name, repitition can happen. Name pockets and dumb luck mean that you can never guarantee that the rare name you choose will be unique among your child's peers. And the flip side of that is that you can give your child a theoretically common name and she may end up being the only one she knows with that name.

And from personal experience, in my grade in high school, out of about 125 kids there were three other girls with versions of my name (plus one in the grade below and one in the grade above). I'm not American, so the US stats aren't wholly applicable, but the year I was born, Karen (the most common spelling) was #64 with 4535 girls. In grade 11, all four of us were in the same homeroom and the two Karens were part of my close group of friends. And yet once I got out of elementary/high school within my community and went to college with my city's general population and then university with people from all over, I never met another one with any spelling. There were none in grad school either. Nor have I ever tested a Karen (of any spelling) while doing my research. (Plus, I never met anyone with several of the names that were higher up on the list than Karen.) I happened to grow up in a Karen/Karyn/Caryn/etc. pocket and now it's just an amusing ancedote rather than a lifelong frustration.

The numbers tell you something, but they definitely do not tell you everything. 

EDIT: There is always the option of using her middle name to distinguish her if there turn out to be multiple. In my daughter's nursery school, one of the girls in another class goes by Olivia Rose, which is the same number of syllables as Luna Lórien, and easily distinguishes her from the Olivia in my daughter's class in their joint ballet class.

May 15, 2017 1:27 AM

There is no name that's as popular today as the top names of the 1970s and 80s. In fact, the top names of today are less than half as popular as the top names of 30 years ago. Last year, only Emma and Olivia broke the 1% mark. In 1985, Jessica, Ashley, Jennifer, and Amanda were all above 2%, and the top 11 were all above 1%. (It's even more impressive for boys: last year, no boy's name was given to an entire percent of baby boys. In 1985, the top two [Michael and Christopher] were both above 3%, and the top 22 were above 1%.)

Unless you live in some sort of Tolkien-fandom-super-pocket, your child's middle name will be sufficient to disambiguate if necessary. Choose the name you like best and stop worrying about name repetition. :-)

May 15, 2017 11:03 AM

The problem isn't with popularity; as the statistics increasingly show, name popularity isn't what it used to be in terms of absolute numbers or percentages. The problem is trajectory, namely how dated will the name sound 20 years from now. As a recent blog post from Laura shows, a name does not need to be popular to sound utterly date-stamped a few decades down the line. That's why expectant parents should check the name popularity stats, and not just for the last year, but for as long as the name's been around.

Note that I'm emphatically not saying that Luna is destined to be date-stamped. On the contrary, I think the very long (albeit relatively infrequent) history of use means that it'll just sound like an upward-trending vintage revival - think Olivia about 20 years ago. But I wouldn't be able to make this conclusion if I didn't check the popularity statistics.

May 15, 2017 2:58 PM

Yes, this! Local stats and trajectory are both more informative than national ranking and absolute numbers. Especially since it isn't just your child's birth year that will give others the feeling of a popular versus a rare name. People don't separate how many 3-year-olds versus 4-year-olds that they know named Emma, they think of all the small humans with the name as a whole to decide whether a name is currently popular. Plus, if someone can think of a whole bunch of people with a particular name, it doesn't matter of they range in age from 2 to 97, it's still going to feel highly familiar and well-used, even if only a small percentage of those individuals are anywhere near the age of the to-be-born child.

May 16, 2017 5:42 AM

I agree that name popularity isn't what it used to be; however I feel that in the age of the internet, the perception of how popular your name is is alive and well. In reality, I know a handful of people with my (popular) name, but out in the larger world, I'm coming across them all the time in the form of people who write articles, bloggers, celebrities, and friends of friends commenting on social media, and so on.

That said, my name is much more popular than Luna, and I do think Luna Lórien is enough of a disambiguation. I also like that it could be a "stage name" or "pen name" due to Lórien sounding simultaneously namey and surnamey, and the pleasing (to me) alliteration.

May 20, 2017 7:33 AM

We're tossing around using that Belle to break up the alliteration with either a double barreled first or a fourth name.

Lunabelle Lórien Wilder

Luna Belle Lórien Wilder 

might be too much? lol


May 20, 2017 5:24 PM

I generally like extra names, most of my family have two middle names so it seems quite normal to me lol, but I have to admit that I think you are losing the beauty of the name with either of those options.

Lunabelle is a little too over the top sweet for my taste, it sounds a bit too much like a name that might be given to a fairy in a trite kids cartoon. I can't really imagine a teenager or adult woman with that name. And while there is objectively nothing wrong with Luna Belle Lórien Wilder to me it just doesn't have the pleasing lyrical flow of Luna Lórien Wilder or the happy bubbly-ness of Luna Belle Wilder. (Because while Lunabelle is too in-your-face-cutesy for me if you went with Luna Belle and then sometimes called her by her first and middle name as a family nickname I would find that sweet.)

May 20, 2017 10:44 AM

My not-quite-seven-year-old daughter just named a new unicorn puppet Rosabell. Lunabell(e) rather falls into the same category, unfortunately.

I think the alliteration of Luna Lórien is a positive trait.

May 20, 2017 11:24 AM

Almost all of the time, a middle name in everyday life is either contracted to an initial or omitted altogether. To the wider world, she won't be Luna Lorien Wilder, she'll be either Luna L. Wilder or just Luna Wilder.

So the alliteration (which, as I've said, I like) will only be apparent to you and her, not the rest of the world, unless one of you makes a conscious effort to use the full name more often than usual. If you don't like the flow of the name (for when she's in big trouble, or when you're making up silly songs for her, etc.) then go ahead and change it, but otherwise don't worry about it.

I'll also say that if you like Luna Belle as a nickname, I think you could easily get there from Luna L (Luna Elle).

I also agree that Luna Lorien has a very different feel than Luna Belle; the original feels ethereal-leaning-stately, while the latter feels more sparkly-leaning-country. 

May 20, 2017 5:26 PM

Good point that Luna Belle could be used as a nickname even without Belle being part of her name. My niece is actually named Luna and her nickname is Bug/Luna Bug (obviously nothing to do with her middle name, just that when she was born she was little with these big eyes) or I call her Luna Moon when she's being silly (which is a lot lol). But I like that you could legitimately get to Luna Belle from Luna L. 

June 22, 2017 12:54 AM

I agree you don't need to put Belle in the middle name spot, her nickname can be Luna Belle regardless!  I know someone with a similar thing re: "Bee".  (In retrospect, she does wish her daughter's middle name started with B, but it was an unplanned though obvious nickname, i.e., Queen Bee for a girl named Queenie.)

You can also do a mashup!  Bellórien, or Lóribell, somesuch.  CAn also do two middle names.