My list for baby #6

So i just found out that we are expecting #6.  Siblings are Paul, Clare, Mark, Katharine, and James.  After initially calling Katharine Katie we now call her by her full name with the occasional use of Kat.  I like how Kat and Katharine interchange farily well.  She's only 4 so who knows what she'll end up using in the long run.  Last name is Tys0n.


We're pretty well settled on Andrew for a boy.  I do like Luke more but dh's younger brother is Luke and it'd just be too odd to use his name.  Middle name with either be Damien or Lawrence.

Our girl's list isn't nearly as clear.  Here's our list:

Elizabeth Laura - Really afraid of going down the whole nickname vs. full name saga again.  Libby is hubby's nickname of choice.  Laura is my name and Laura as well as Lawrence is a family name on both sides.

Grace Elizabeth

Mary Grace -- like this one a lot but probably won't end up using it because it's too similar to Mark's name.

Theresa (not sure on middle name).  I worry that it's too dated.

Lucy - hubby is more of a fan than me.  I worry that it is a bit childish.

Nell - it's the outlier but dh and I both like it a lot.  It really doesn't hit the must have of being a saint's name though I guess it's a form of Helen.  I also think it might sound too nicknamey.


So what you guys think!


December 11, 2012 7:11 PM

I looked at the popularity stats, and you're right that Theresa has been in serious decline since the '60s. But the names Tess and Tessa skyrocketed up recently.  You could name her Theresa with the nickname Tess or Tessa, which would give a nice combination of a classic full name and more trendy nickname.

I think Theresa is a great choice for you. It was all the way down off the list for 2011, so it's really unusal for babies, but it's also a classic name everyone can spell.  Somehow it avoids that dated sound that I associate with Linda or Gary (which have the same popularity trajectory).

If you like Grace as a middle name, it works well with Theresa.

I agree with you that Nell is nice but too nicknamey.  Helen works for a full name nicknamed Nell, as do Ellen and Penelope.

December 11, 2012 9:45 PM

Congratulations! I've been rooting for Theresa for you for years, so I'll put in another plug for it. Call her Tess and no one will think her name dated.

December 11, 2012 9:54 PM

"Nell" is often a nickname for Eleanor, and St Helena is sometimes known as St Eleanor -- so if you don't like Helen or Helena, is Eleanor an option?  


I like "Eleanor Grace", "Eleanor Laura", "Eleanor Elizabeth", "Eleanor Mary"...

December 11, 2012 10:09 PM

There are also Blessed Eleanor of Provence, Queen of England and St. Eleanor Girlani also known by her name in reliigion Archangela.  She was a Carmelite.  Queen Eleanor became a Benedictine in her widowhood.

By mk
December 11, 2012 11:05 PM

I love the name Theresa. I know several Italian families with Theresas of all ages, so it is not dated at all to me. My second favorite is Elizabeth.

I've never really liked the name Nell much, sorry. Though I've known two Nells and that was their full name, so it's not too nicknamey to me. Plus Harper Lee's first name was Nelle. I think I like it better with an e at the end.


December 12, 2012 12:00 AM

I do really like Elizabeth.  It was eliminated from our list exactly because of the nickname issue.  (I wanted Libby or Lizzie, dh wanted Beth).  So I understand your concern.  But, since Katherine is mostly just Katherine-maybe you could set out to use only Elizabeth?

Grace Elizabeth is lovely, but Grace does seem a bit meh to me these days.  

Mary Grace, I really like this-but I agree it that Mary does seem too close to Mark.  Would you call her the full Mary Grace regularly?  I think that would eliminate the Mark/Mary issue.

Theresa-I love this for you.  Theresa fits so well with the sibling names.  I grew up around so many Theresas of all ages, so it doesn't seem dated to me at all. The nickname Terry does seem dated, but Tess or Tessa would be lovely, though my preference would be the full Theresa.  For a middle name, I'll suggest Lauren.  It avoids the double A ending of Theresa Laura, but would still be a nod to you and to Lawrence.

Lucy is nice, but it doesn't quite stand up to Clare & Katherine for me.  Maybe Lucia with Lucy as the nickname?

Nell has some of the same problem for me as Lucy.  It's a lovely name, it just doesn't quite have the gravitas of Clare and Katherine.  I'd probably vote for Helen or Helena with the nickname Nell.

December 12, 2012 12:18 PM

My vote is for Theresa out of all of your options, but I also would like to suggest Therese (sans the "a"). I've always loved the name and think it sounds a bit more classic. Also, I love St. Therese (the little flower)'s story and think she is a great role model for girls. Congratulations, by the way! :)

December 12, 2012 2:10 PM


I'll throw my vote in for Theresa.  I think it would be lovely with your other children's names and I love the nicknames Tess and Tessa.

I think Elizabeth would be second for me and I like the nickname Libby (or calling her the full Elizabeth like you do with Katharine.)  My concern would be if there are nicknames that you really do not like as you can't necessarily control what she will end up being called later.

Nell I like but not so much with your other children.  I agree that Helen or Eleanor would be nice, but only if you and your husband actually like those names.  :)

Lucy, Mary, and Grace just don't do much for me.  They are perfectly nice names and I don't dislike them, but compared to your other choices they are at the bottom for me.


By EVie
December 12, 2012 2:29 PM

I know you've been turning over Theresa nn Tess in your head for a long, long time... are you still on the fence about the alliteration issue? I actually have really come to think it's very catchy and cool, so that would probably be my vote. I think a two-syllable middle name works best, preferably one that doesn't repeat the s or t sounds.

Any chance you could talk DH into using Nell as a nickname for Elizabeth? It's not traditional per se, but it's plausible since Nell is used for a variety of El- names, and I think that Ellie is seen as an acceptable nickname for Elizabeth these days, so why not Nell? Otherwise, I actually quite like Libby and find it fresher than Liz/Lizzie or Beth. Are you just afraid of the confusion if you change your mind after naming again, or are there possible nicknames you'd like to avoid? I actually really like what you settled into for Katharine—I find the full name/Kat much fresher and more lively than Katie, which I associate very strongly with my own generation.

I do agree that Nell alone is too nicknamey, though Helen/Helena, Ellen or Eleanor would work stylistically (actually, though I prefer the Eleanor spelling in general, I'm really feeling Elinor as a better match for your brood). Since I know you prefer traditional saint names, I would probably pick Helena for you. You could also go with the Latinate Elena, though that's more of a departure from your style.

I also really like Lucy, and don't think it sounds too childish. It just happens to end with a y, that's all—that doesn't make it a nickname. You could go the Lucia route, but I don't think that fits as well with the very English naming style of your other kids.

I'm more lukewarm on Mary Grace and Grace Elizabeth. I like Mary, but I do think it's too close to Mark, and I'm not a fan of the double-barrelled style if you were using the whole thing. Grace also just feels kind of tired and used up to me these days, and it doesn't have the same classic English feel as the rest of your kids. I would prefer Mary in a more unexpected combo—maybe something like Mary Eleanor. 

I love both Andrew Lawrence or Andrew Damien. I would probably pick Lawrence myself, but you really can't go wrong. 

By hyz
December 12, 2012 4:30 PM

Congratulations!!  I still like Theresa nn Tess for you, alliteration and all.  I'm also a fan of Lucy, and think it would go great with your other kids, and I love Nell as a nn for either Eleanor or Helena (or Helen), but not so much on its own.  I like Mary, but would hesitate to do Mary and Mark.  I would eliminate Elizabeth if you don't want to deal with nns, and Grace is totally fine, but I just like the above options better to go with your kids. 

December 12, 2012 5:54 PM

Thanks for all the great feedback.  As far as the alliteration issue, I've come around 1/2 way.  I really like Theresa with my last name but think Tess is a little much.  But, I don't think Kat Tys0n is that fantastic either since the "t"s blend together.  So basically I assume she'll use her full name in school and other places where she's called by her last name and Tess in more casual social settings.  I'm actually more concerned with Theresa sounding dated.  I know Tess isn't but I hope she's more Theresa than Tess just as Katharine is more Katharine than Kat.


Dh is pretty cold towards Eleanor.  He'd go along with Helena/Helen but never call her that which would drive me nuts.


December 12, 2012 7:39 PM

I don't know... Theresa is completely not my style and I don't know any children with that name, but rather than sounding dated, it just feels classic to me. I really like it with your other kids' names, and Tess is an adorable nickname. Theresa Tys0n is punchy and I can even see Tess (or Tessa) Tys0n working nicely in certain situations. You've liked it for a while and both you and your husband agree on it, right? If so, that gets my vote.

Elizabeth is a perfectly nice name but much less distinctive; Mary Grace (double-barrelled especially) works well but really is close to Mark; Lucy is just not a name that I've ever cared for; and Nell is a cute nickname but I don't feel like any of the longer versions work as well with your other kids as Theresa does (and I like the nn Tess better than Nell anyway!)

Good luck!


December 14, 2012 4:02 PM


I like Elizabeth Laura a lot. Elizabeth is such a great name -- so weighty and classic on its own, and with so many nicknames!! I like your name as the mn too -- I wouldn't normally think of Laura as flowing well in the mn spot with many names, but Elizabeth Laura sounds great to my ear. 

I like Grace Elizabeth, Mary Grace, and Theresa -- they certainly fit your style and saint criteria -- but I don't love them. I've always had a soft spot for Lucy, but I can see what you mean (I'd personally probably want to go with Lucia instead, to avoid the potential of it not growing well with her).

And Nell! How interesting and unexpected! I like it a lot, but I'm more interested that both you and your hubs like it a lot -- for me, my favorite moment of naming a baby is when my husband and I agree on a name, that moment where we both feel like, "Wow, that's a great name." 

I really like the suggestion of Nell as a nn for Elizabeth, and that would be where I'd cast my vote. I read recently that "Nan" came from "Mine Anne" and "Ned" from "Mine Ed," morphed into "My Nan" and "My Ned" ... if you think of "Mine El" ("El" from Elizabeth) evolving into "My Nell," you can see how Nell could be a legitimate nn for Elizabeth. And what a sweet, affectionate origin -- "Mine El." 

I can't wait to read your evolving tastes/decisions as your pregnancy progresses!

December 15, 2012 2:39 PM

hmm...two votes for Nell as a nickname for Elizabeth...maybe I'll have to see what my husband thinks of that.  I think us both liking Nell isn't to unusual since 4 of our 5 kids have 1-syllable names and Katharine was suppose to be Kate.

I've always wanted to use Laura as a middle name but you are right Laura really does not flow well in the middle spot with the vast majority of first names.


I had some not so great lab numbers so keeping my fingers crossed that this little one is going to be okay.

December 15, 2012 9:18 PM

Ohh Laura, mine are crossed too.

December 16, 2012 8:33 PM

thanks...hard to play the waiting game.

December 15, 2012 10:27 PM

Fingers crossed for you!

December 18, 2012 11:23 AM

thinking of you all and hoping for the best!

December 17, 2012 10:09 PM

congratulations Laura, fingers crossed it is all progressing well!

I'm another who loves Theresa for you. I like the aliteration in this case and I think Tess and Tessa are great nicknames. I also don't think 'just' Theresa sounds too dated...... and it fits well with the sibset.

My second choice would be Elizabeth. I love it, and it's flexibility of nicknames. Libby is a favourite but I've always liked the full Elizabeth too.

Lucy and Nell seem too nicknamey on their own. Lucy as either Lucia or Lucinda I could get behind. Nell I think works well as a short form of Helena or Eleanor (or even Penelope) but I see you and your husband aren't that keen on them. I second (or third?) the idea of Nell as a nn for Elizabeth.

Mary Grace and Grace Elizabeth don't do much for me.  They are just not my style, and far less interesting than your other options, but I do know they have their fans on this board.

I also vote for Andrew Lawrence in the boy column!

December 18, 2012 4:01 PM

Just got some great numbers back!  It's like getting a postive hpt all over again.

Theresa does seems to be the leading favorite for the girls right now which make sense as that was our girl name last time around.  Hubby liked the "Nell" for Elizabeth idea b/c he likes Nell but I think a lot of this throwing names around is for fun as I bet we go with Theresa.

I know for many Theresa/Teresa has quite a religious vibe.  Would that make pairing it with a middle name of Mary, Grace, or another Marian name more difficult?  And is Theresa Grace Tys0n just way too "s" heavy anyway?

I know in the past I've looked for a 1-syllable middle name but I actually like the rhythm of Theresa Elizabeth Tys0n though I do hesistate to "use" up Elizabeth in the middle spot if we were to have another girl Elizabeth would certainly be a contender.

December 18, 2012 4:28 PM

That's great! Thanks for the update :)

I can only speak for someone for whom Theresa doesn't have such a strong religious association and say that no, I don't find it too much with Mary or Grace (though neither of those names is especially appealing to me, personally.) Theresa Grace is a nice "s" mirror and likewise for Theresa Tys0n... but honestly, all three together do feel somewhat excessively "s"y. On the other hand, Theresa Mary Tys0n has great rhythm.

December 18, 2012 5:03 PM

Phew! Good news, indeed. I don't think that the "too religious" vibe matters. Anyone who knows you will already know you're religious, and probably the only people who will ever know the middle name are people already in your circle. I like Theresa Grace, and agree that Theresa Elizabeth also flows well. And you could nickname her Tess Bess! (Just kidding, but I've always found it funny that Jessica, Theresa, and Elizabeth have rhyming nicknames.)

December 18, 2012 10:09 PM

That's the best news I've heard today!!

I like Theresa Grace, I don't mind Theresa Mary, and Theresa Elizabeth is my least favorite of the three, not only because of the loss of Elizabeth for a future daughter, but also because the flow is not smooth to my ear (the 'a' at the end of Theresa followed by the 'e' at the beginning of Elizabeth). Other Marian names that would flow well imo are Theresa Maureen and Theresa Rose, and I also like Mary Theresa. T(h)eresa Benedicta is a heavyweight but I've always liked its rhythm. But all your options are so nice, you can't go wrong -- they're all lovely and substantial.

December 20, 2012 9:10 PM

I totally agree about Teresa Benedicta having charm and of course a great patron (it was Saint Edith Stein's religious name).   My husband however would never in a million years go along with it. 

Theresa Rose would be a no-brainer if it wasn't Katharine's middle name. 

I've considered Theresa Ruth but again I wonder if it's too dated.  Ruth is a favorite of mine and I'd use it as a first name but dh sees it as an "old lady name".



December 20, 2012 9:53 PM

I think both Theresa Grace and Theresa Mary are nice. Yes, they do read a little religious but I don't think that is an issue for your family. Theresa Elizabeth is more my style and it flows quite well for me.

Theresa Ruth is a little dated to my ear, but not terrible so.  I agree Theresa Rose is lovely, but given the name has been used a no-go. Could you do another botanical? Theresa Lily, Theresa Ivy, Theresa Fern?  I also like good old Theresa May/Mae for you too.........

December 30, 2012 3:36 PM

Sadly it looks like this list will have to be put on hold as I've miscarried this baby.   We named him Becket.

December 30, 2012 8:45 PM

I' m so sorry to prayers for you and your family, and for little BecketBecket.

December 31, 2012 3:47 PM

Ohh Laura, I'm so sorry to hear that! Becket's a wonderful name for him.

December 31, 2012 3:58 PM

So sorry about your loss! My thoughts are with your family.

January 1, 2013 5:23 PM

Virtual hugs to you! Becket is a great name.

January 1, 2013 10:11 PM

So sorry to hear this news :( Becket is a wonderful name...... and I'm sure it suits him perfectly.

January 1, 2013 9:51 PM

Oh Laura, I'm glad I read all the way to the end of this post. I'm sorry for your loss as I know how excited you were to have another. Becket is a splendid name. *hugs to you and the family* when you are ready to talk names again I will give my suggestions anew.

January 2, 2013 9:25 AM

I am so sorry for your loss.  I have lost two children to miscarriage and know how devastating it is.  Praying for you as you grieve little Beckett.

January 3, 2013 1:22 PM

((hugs)) and I'm so sorry. I've lost 4 little ones, and naming them gave me a bit of comfort in the midst of grief. ((hugs))

January 3, 2013 4:17 PM

Thanks for all the virtual hugs and support.  =)

January 3, 2013 7:18 PM

We also named the two children we lost to miscarriage, which helped in my healing. It has also helped in referencing our sadness & loss to our other children.

January 6, 2013 11:57 AM

I miscarried once, and we named the baby too -- I like how you said it's "helped in referencing our sadness & loss to our other children" -- so true. My other kids all remember the baby by name in their prayers each night, and they've even included a picture of him/her in pictures they draw of our family, even though it happened when the older two were too little to even really understand what happened.