Oh boy, it's a GIRL!!!!

Many of you helped me generate ideas a month or so ago when I was preparing to name a boy, and it turns out I don't need them! I recently found out that we are having a little girl, and I'm wildly excited.  Naming boys is a chore, but naming girls is FUN!  So can you all help me come up with some ideas? My children are Ivy, Arthur and Peter, and our last name is quite common, especially around here, so I'm pretty careful about staying away from very common names.  

We like planty names, obviously.  We like variations on Rose, but we haven't settled on WHICH variation we like best.  My daughter named our last pregnancy Roselay before he turned out to be male, but we wouldn't ever actually use that.  We both really like Violet as well, but it's on a sinister trajectory in popularity, especially in our state.  I like the name Eliza, but it's WAY too common around here, and my husband doesn't love it. Runners up when I was pregnant with Ivy are Lydia and Matilda.  We like to make a list, vet it fully, and then name the baby when we meet it.  

We like names that are real, established and accepted without a whiff of gender ambiguity.  I look forward to reading your suggestions.

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July 20, 2012 2:39 PM

Rosamund!  It has the Rose variation, it's never been in the top 1000, and it has that lovely English storybook quality of your other children's names.

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July 20, 2012 3:50 PM

I'll mention one of my favorite false-friend combinations in names: Roslyn, Rosalind, and Rosalinda. Roslyn is Celtic in origin, and means a waterfall over a promontory. Rosalind is Germanic in origin, and is a dithematic: "horse-gentle," or gentle horse. Rosalinda is Latin in origin, and means beautiful rose. In particular, Rosalinda came to be when the Germanic Visigoths migrated to the Iberian Peninsula, and the Latin-speaking locals took a liking to the name Rosalind.

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By hyz
July 20, 2012 4:02 PM

Congratulations!!  I second Rosamund, or Rosamond, if you prefer.  I also have an Ivy, and Rosamund/Rosamond is one of my very favorite girl names--unfortunately, my DH did not feel the same way.  I also have Rosalind and Rosalie on my list, as well as "just" Rose, which is fairly uncommon now as a fn, but which I would personally hesitate to do already having one clearly botanical girl. The only thing that puts me off of any of the Ros- names is the question of whether to pronounce them as rose- or roz-.  I think Rosalind is pretty firmly in the roz- camp, but I believe that Rosamond can go either way.  I generally prefer the Rose sound, but the roz- option has been growing on me.  In any event, I love that you can have Rosie as a sweet nn, but have a very substantial name to fall back on as well.

Matilda and Eliza are also among my favorites, but I'm not a huge fan of Lydia--not sure why, but I think the d in the middle there bugs me.  Here are some other thoughts from my lists, since we seem to have some overlap: Sylvia, Beatrix, Eleanor, Hyacinth, Juniper, June, Holly, Fern, Hazel, Zinnia, Dahlia, Clementine, Laurel, Susannah, Willa, Lavender, Leona, Calantha, Pearl, Louisa,  Delphine, Tabitha, Opal....

I'm looking forward to following along with your choices!

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By Guest (not verified)
July 20, 2012 4:47 PM

Briar Rose!

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July 20, 2012 8:59 PM

Congrats on having a little girl!!

I third the option of Rosamond/Rosamund. I also like Rosalind and just plain Rose.

Matilda is a good match and I really like it. Lydia is lovely too. Violet is great and while it's on a bit of an upswing I actually know more Ivy's than Violets and I think they are similar in popularity in my area so I wouldn't rule it out.

Other thoughts: Marguerite, Juniper, Dahlia, Susannah, Sage, Scarlett, Lucia, Juliet, Boronia, Genevieve, Zinnia, Delphine, Clementine, Acacia, Zinnia, Briar, Elka, Juniper, Elinor, Hazel, Magnolia, Hyacinth, Harriet, Acacia

Most of those are from my list as I have similar taste to you (and hyz).  

If you want to do something botancial but not as in your face matchy with Ivy as Violet or Rose, I like the option of a Rose variant (Rosamond etc) or a less obvious botancial connection like Acacia or Briar. I actually don't think that 2 botanicals are a problem, especially with a Peter and Arthur in the set!

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July 20, 2012 9:48 PM

Goodness-is Eliza more popular than Lydia?

I adore them both, but I definitely feel like I hear more of the latter.

In any case....

I'm not generally a fan of thematic names on children, so I can't heartily endorse Rose, though I love it normally. I do think a variation is a nice idea.

I also adore Matilda, which fits the English spunkiness that I associate with Ivy (I don't know that I'm correct in doing so, but that's the category they share in my mind)

Ivy is such a fun name, in that it's a classic but has such a lively, upbeat sound.

It makes me want to suggest names like Tess or Tessa, Clara, and Lucy (perhaps too much Narnia with a brother called Peter?) Maggie or Susannah?

I also think virture names or gems are nice with botanicals. Ivy and...Ruby, Honor, Mercy....Grace if it wasn't so popular...

and finally, I'll just offer Lorelei, which popped to mind for reasons I can't quite identify.

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By Guest (not verified)
July 20, 2012 10:26 PM

Rosemund / Rosemond looks too much like "Rose Mound," or rosy (pubic) mound. Very not good. 

Try Rosalyn, Rosalie, etc. 

Even without the pubic connotation, "Mound" is not a good, um, connotation. 

 

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By Guest (not verified)
July 21, 2012 6:44 PM

I think Roseanne is a GORGEOUS name -- I'm just waiting a few more decades for it to lose the "witty, quasi-white-trash, obese Midwestern TV mama" connotation. 

 

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By Guest (not verified)
July 22, 2012 3:59 PM

I have never heard that term before, and it's not pronounced as mound (or even spelled like that). I think this is a huge stretch.

 

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By Guest (not verified)
July 29, 2012 9:07 PM

Mund and Mond look extremely similar to Mound, and are rather unattractive syllables to the ear, on their own, as well. And pubic mound is very common, unfortunately, even if you haven't heard it. Common in terms of the phrase, and, the fact that every female human on earth has one (unless she has some sort of deformity). 

 

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By EVie
July 29, 2012 10:53 PM

I've heard the term before, but only in extremely dated contexts or in highly overwrought romance novels (the same sort that use "manhood" to refer to the equivalent male anatomy). I disagree with your assertion that it's common, and I'm not surprised that Guest @ 3:59 hasn't heard it. That, and the fact that Rosamund/Rosamond (and Edmund, Sigmund, etc.) are pronounced quite differently with the syllable unstressed, leads me to conclude that this is a non-issue. The fact that a lot of other people are also recommending it suggests that I am not alone in thinking this.

If you personally find the name unappealing, then that's totally legitimate. You are of course entitled to your opinion; however, I think you'll find people more receptive to it if you write in a more polite and respectful tone that acknowledges it as an opinion, rather than categorically calling a name unattractive (I assume you're the same Guest who also dislikes Una and what you consider to be "white trash" names, and who has been correcting people's grammar. Either way, I recommend that you make a screen name so we can get to know you.)

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By Guest (not verified)
July 30, 2012 12:33 AM

I think you make a good point, a lot of people don't see a problem with Rosemund/mond/pubic. As always, it's up to the namer to accept or disregard connotations. 

 

 

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July 30, 2012 2:27 AM

The only Rosamond I ever knew in real life was a highly distinguished senior scholar who joined the faculty of my university when I was in grad school and who then promptly passed away.  I can assure you that no one ever made a connection between her name and her lady parts.  I doubt whether anyone dared to imagine that she even had lady parts....

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July 30, 2012 7:02 PM

Where's the "like" button when you need it? :-)

 

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July 30, 2012 11:35 PM

A historically famous Rosamond/mund is Rosamond Clifford, the mistress of Henry II and the object of Eleanor of Aquitaine's jealousy (at least so we're told).  Now that's an association!

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By mk
July 30, 2012 5:42 PM

I agree, it's an extremely dated term and I highly doubt many people will make that connection,  especially since it isn't even the same sound.

I understand wanting to avoid names with bad associations, but sometimes we can overthink things way too much.

In any case, I like Rosaline and Rosalind better, though I do like Rosamund. erikafabulous: would your husband be ok with a longer name with the nickname Rose used?

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July 31, 2012 3:25 PM

We are really aiming for a longer Rose name with the hopes that she'll go by Rose or Rosie or the like.  I just feel like we need something longer to put on the birth certificate. Rose alone is too short for my tastes.  So if you have any mega names that shorten to Rose, lay them on me. I'd love to see them.

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By mk
August 1, 2012 2:54 PM

Ah, ok. I thought your husband only wanted just Rose.

 

I like Rosalind, Rosaline, and Rosemarie. Rosalinda? Roselaine? You could also maybe go with Mary-Rose.

 

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By Guest (not verified)
July 29, 2012 11:11 PM

I meant the term "rosy mound". Never heard it referred to as such, and personnaly can't imagine kids going there for teasing.

When I hear Mund I think of a childhood friend with that last name, so nothing bad there, but obviously a quite specific reference. And I like hte name Edmund as well, which has the same sound, so it's all good to me.

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By Guest (not verified)
July 31, 2012 12:16 AM

Rosalyn, Rosalin, Rosalind, Roslyn, or as an ABC "Bachelor" contestant was called a few seasons ago -- Rozlyn (eye roll). 

 

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By Guest (not verified)
July 29, 2012 9:09 PM

Eliza is much more popular than Lydia. 

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By Jill
July 21, 2012 3:45 PM

I love the name suggestions!  In particular, MY favorites are Dahlia, Matilda, Zinnia, Juniper, and Delphine.  

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By EVie
July 23, 2012 12:55 PM

I'll add my support to Rosamund/Rosamond as well! Not only is it not in the top 1000, but it's not even on the Beyond the Top 1000 list for 2011—in other words, neither variant was given to more than 4 babies. That's super rare. As a classic, historical name, it also fits your criteria perfectly. 

I like all your other ideas as well, though. They're all great names, and they match well with the rest of your set. Matilda is probably your best bet if you want to stay away from popular names, as it's way lower on the list than any of the others. Violet and Lydia are roughly comparable, and are both on upward trajectories, though Violet's is much sharper. Eliza is lower nationally, but if it's surging in your region then that's probably more significant to you. It's probably also my least favorite of the choices—even though it's seen as a complete name now, it still looks to me like an unfinished Elizabeth. That's probably just me, though. 

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By EM2N
July 23, 2012 9:07 PM

I can't really get behind Rosamund ... it just doesn't look that pretty to me.  But I will throw a few more in the ring:

Rosemary: I know a little girl... she goes by Rosie, and I just think it is so sweet.  You get the flower and the herb in one name!

Azalea: not as established but kind of spunky like Ivy.

Magnolia nn Maggie: I also think of Maggie as a little spunky. 

These are probably my favorite three flower names.  I also adore Hazel which I guess is also a flower name.

 

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July 26, 2012 2:12 PM

Congratulations! I love botanical names too and am enjoying all the suggestions you're getting. Rosalind and Rosamund are both fantastic options, though as Linnaeus points out they aren't botanicals in origin.

It wouldn't be a deal-breaker if one just turned out to be the perfect name, but all else being equal I'd hesitate to use another botanical as a first name. At the same time, I wouldn't want the second girl to feel left out. I'd lean toward either putting the plant in the middle slot, using a different type of nature name (gemstone, bird, etc.), and/or using a nature name in a language other than English where the connection is less obvious (e.g. Cynthia = moon, Marguerite = daisy/pearl, Susannah = lily, Tabitha = gazelle ...). I like the suggestion of virtue names too.

Possible combinations, in a variety of styles but all of which I think could work with your other kids' names - or, of course, mix and match as you like:

Ada Celandine, Beatrix Ruby, Bridget Rosemary, Bronwen Phoebe,

Carys Aurora, Cora Delphine, Cecilia Brooke, Cynthia Tansy, Davina Robin,

Edith Zinnia, Eleanor Dahlia, Elspeth Lily, Felicity Wren, Fiona Daphne, Frances Marguerite, Freya Sylvia,

Harriet Juniper, Honor Imogen, Hope Dorothy, Joanna Linnea, Juliet Rosalie, Kerensa Vesper,

Louisa Violet, Lucy Jessamine, Lydia Verity, Lyra Coral, Marian Soleil, Matilda June, Mina Celeste, Miriam Eve,

Nora Briar, Opal Maeve, Oona Rosalind, Paloma Camille, Pearl Elizabeth,

Romilly Iris, Romy Ursula, Rosalind Alice, Rosamund Ardith, Rowena Lark, Ruth Alyssum,

Simone Fleur, Susannah Joy, Tabitha Jane, Tamsin Betony, Tess Azalea, Thekla Hazel, Tirzah Fern, ...

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July 26, 2012 4:28 PM

I don't have much to add to this thread, but Kalmia, your suggestions are so lovely! I may bookmark this to hold onto for future personal use!

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July 26, 2012 4:07 PM

There are so many beautiful names that have been suggested!  One of my favorites of all time is Rosamund, so of course that has my vote for the 'Rose' variations.

I really like the idea of keeping with nature or virtue names.  Ivy is so cute!  I love how it's botanical yet not frilly, historical yet some how still feels fresh.  I have come up with some names that I think fall along the same line.  I apologize now if I'm repeating, but as I said before, there have been some wonderful suggestions!

Months:

  • May (or Mae)
  • June

both are pretty, simple, and sweet (just like her sisters). 

Jems (sort of): 

  • Coral (or the French Version Coralie)  
  • Opal

both are such interesting specimans in nature, and great revival names

Botanical:

  • Clover
  • Briony

not the usual Victorian 'garden' variety ;), but real and very pretty

Virtue:

  • Blythe (or Blithe)
  • Verity

lovely meanings, lovely names

Lots of luck!  Keep us posted!

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July 27, 2012 12:37 PM

Rosamond is beautiful, and I've been liking the look and feel of Rosaline lately.

Verena's not a botanical name, but it reminds me of verbena/vervain, and it has the strong V as Ivy and Violet both do.

Amaryllis might be too much name next to simple Ivy, but would Marilla appeal?

Others:

Anthea, Diantha, Calanthe, Iolanthe

Tansy, Linnea, Acacia, Viola, Calla, Jessamine, Camellia, Bryony, Cicely

 

 

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By Guest (not verified)
July 29, 2012 7:38 PM

Mmmmm. . .Rosamund is delightful. It seems even better next to a brother named Arthur.  Unfortunately my husband says that -mund is a suffix only to be used on boys names.  Sorry. He is WILDLY picky.  I love it though, for what it is worth.  We seem to be at an impasse on Rose names at the moment anyway.  HE doesn't like the idea of adding anything to Rose, and I don't like the idea of leaving Rose all by itself. I just don't like single syllable names, especially that one which is seeing fairly heavy use as a middle at the moment. So that stinks.  But keep the roses coming. If we find the right one perhaps he can be persuaded?  

I sort of misspoke in my original post.  We like botanical names, but we don't want to be all themey.  We just happen to like them. That's our style, I guess.  So if we can find a name we like that is NOT botanical, we'd be all over that.  I was just trying to provide some stylistic direction is all.  

We both like Lyra (and yes, it's the only one we both like).  I have some concerns with it, since it is out of a fantasy book (and kind of a crummy one) and Peter is also from children's fantasy (I'm actually kind of amazed at how quickly people go there. I thought they would go for the apostle or pan or the great first, but many people go straight to Pevensie.) so that might be a bit much.  Thoughts? Is Lyra too out there? I think it's lovely.  

Any other suggestions?

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July 29, 2012 8:52 PM

Lyra is pretty. What about Rosa? It's still (mostly) just Rose, but turns it to a two syllable name. 

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July 29, 2012 11:32 PM

Brilliant compromise.  Rosa is a name that has more meat to it but it's not a combination name, which is what bothers my husband.  Unfortunately, he feels like that is too hispanic sounding, and since we don't have an ounce of hispanic blood between us, my husband vetoed it.  Darn.  I don't know why he can't just give in and agree with me.  Rosamund is PERFECT with the others. So are lots of other names you've suggested. 

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July 30, 2012 10:44 AM

Oh, your husband sounds as difficult as mine. "No noun names!" Even when it was the perfect name otherwise, Nope--he wouldn't go for it. *sigh*

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By Guest (not verified)
July 31, 2012 11:37 PM

What about Lyric, or Vera?

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July 30, 2012 1:03 PM

I can understand your concern about Lyra from the Golden Compass trilogy.  If I recall from other posts, your family is quite religious, right?  And the Golden Compass trilogy is specifically an atheist allegory (a rejoinder to the Narnia Christian allegory).  If I were you, I wouldn't use Lyra, even though the sound is nice.

Some Lyra alternatives:

Vera (This is my top suggestion, for that vintage English feeling of your other children's names. It was all the way down at #512 last year.)

Ciara/Keira/Kyra

Lara

Leah

 

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July 31, 2012 2:29 AM

Yes, we are indeed very religious, but the Golden Compass association doesn't bother me that much for religious reasons.  I suppose my beliefs are such that I didn't take the bit I read of the series personally, or maybe I didn't 'get' what it was saying about religion.  It IS worrisome that people immediately go there though.  I'll have to gauge more local reactions and see how that goes.  Our area is unique in those regards. It's just such a pretty name, I would hate to let it go if I didn't have to. I may have to.  I'm more worried about it being too WEIRD and unestablished. I had never heard of it before I found the Golden Compass series, which I suppose answers my question. Drat. 

Sigh. . .naming a girl was supposed to be fun. It was SO easy six years ago.

 

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July 31, 2012 4:43 AM

Lyra is also the name of a constellation.  Tradtionally it was said to be the lyre of Orpheus.  Lyra is directly overhead in the temperate zone of the northern hemisphere during the summer months.  It contains the star Vega, one of the brightest.  Perhaps this celestial association will be more appealing than the Golden Compass character.  That series is indeed blatantly anti-religious and in particular anti-Christian. 

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July 31, 2012 11:39 AM

I was stunned when an acquaintance named her daughter Lyra earlier this year. Both parents are fans of the series AND devout Catholics--the mom actually teaches at a Catholic school. I would characterize the books as blazingly anti-Christian. (Disclaimer: I'm Catholic and enjoyed the books but was disturbed by how vitriolic Pullman was about this.)

Perhaps you could use the spelling Lira?

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July 31, 2012 12:27 PM

I'm with Miriam and mk: I think of the constellation, and secondarily the instrument and music in general. As such I think the name makes a nice counterpart to Ivy: you can also think of it as a nature name, but it's not another plant, and both names are similarly short and sweet, with history and a classic/storybook feel but still bright and modern.

I have not read the books, so I can't comment on the content, but I am aware of them and aware of Lyra being the heroine's name. I don't know any little Lyras myself, but it seems to me I've heard (somewhere on the Internet?) of other parents picking this name with the books in mind, and since it's still fairly rare (despite fitting modern tastes and trends) with that one prominent association I suspect it's likely others will make a similar assumption of your family. It would be too bad if this has to put you off the name, but since it is such a prominent reference it would make sense to read the books or at least ask a few folks in your circle who have before making a final decision.

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By mk
July 31, 2012 12:13 PM

I have never read this series (never heard of it actually) and I think Lyra is a pretty name. My associations would be with the musical instrument and constellation.

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By Guest (not verified)
July 31, 2012 12:54 PM

Love so many of the suggestions on this thread. How about Daphne, Cicely or Loveday? I second Lydia and Rosa.

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By Guest (not verified)
July 31, 2012 12:52 PM

Rosemarie or Rosalie? Beatrice? Anabelle?

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By Guest (not verified)
July 31, 2012 2:18 PM

Acacia (a-KAY-sha an African tree -- and a name I wish I had been able to use).

Posey

 

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By Guest (not verified)
July 31, 2012 2:20 PM

Acacia (a-KAY-sha, an African tree and a name I wish I had been able to use)

Posey

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By Guest (not verified)
July 31, 2012 4:14 PM

Some beautiful plant names are: Iris, Lily, Amaryllis, Saffron, Olive, Peony, Zinnia, and Dahlia.

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By Guest (not verified)
July 31, 2012 4:50 PM

Laurel Rose

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By Guest (not verified)
July 31, 2012 4:52 PM

Laurel Rose (mountain laurel is beautiful in Applachia)

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By Guest (not verified)
July 31, 2012 7:34 PM

What about Poppy? I think it would go really well soundwise with Peter and Ivy, and while it isnt as traditional as Rose, I've been seeing it pop up in the UK for a while now.

I also like the choice of Lyra- it's very definitely feminine, it sounds established with its classical connotations, and it's unique without sounding incurably strange.

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July 31, 2012 11:52 PM

Mmmm....I believe the media refers to George Bush senior as Poppy on occasion, so I think we should probably avoid that.  Do you know what it's short for though? I'd love to use the long form and Poppy as a nickname.  

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August 1, 2012 5:13 AM

I'm not sure it's necessarily traditional but you could do Penelope nn Poppy?

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August 1, 2012 12:35 PM

Agree with Chimu: I've heard of people using (or contemplating) it as a nickname for Penelope. I think it's generally used as a stand-alone name though. I understand the reservation about Poppy Bush, but that reference is unlikely to persist for much of your daughter's lifetime. I agree that Poppy works well with the other kids' names, but would you mind her sharing an initial with Peter?