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I love it! Would spell it without the h too, though.
Funny you suggested Lianna and Emmalyn right behind one another. My name is actually Emmalynn (with an additional n) and my daughters name is Liana (with only one n) and they're both not very common - what a coincidence :) sorry, i know this has nothing to do with the topic, but just something that I noticed.
This may vary from country to country, so this may be different where you live, but as far as I know hyphenating a name means your child will always have to use both names. Do you plan on calling her Dawn-Marie all the time and do you want friends and family to call her by her full name or do you plan to call her just Dawn most of the time?
If you plan on using just Dawn I definitely wouldn't hyphenate. If you do want to use both it may be easier when the name is hyphenated as people will automatically call her Dawn-Marie whereas you (or she) may have to correct people who read her name for the first time e.g. at school etc. So a hyphenated name would make that quite easy. On the other hand she would be "forced" to go by Dawn-Marie all the time. If one day she decided she wants to be called just Dawn it would be easier if her name wasn't hyphenated - for this reason I usually lean more towards non hyphenated names as it gives your child a bit more of a choice and it's easier on papers. But if you're 100% sure you want her to be called Dawn-Marie by everyone the hyphen might be a "safer" option.
Actually it's kind of the other way around :P Alicia is quite rare in Brazil, I think it's probably more familiar to Spanish speakers. Alice on the other hand is actually very common - it's in the Top 5 in Brazil, I believe. Usually I'm not too keen on overly popular names, but as it would only be her middle name it doesn't really matter.
As to the pronounciation we say ah-LEE-see - so the second syllable is stressed, similar to the French pronounciation, but in Portuguese it has three syllables as we tend to pronounce "e"s at the end of names/words like double "ee"s. So it's a bit similar to the spanish alicia again, just without the "a" at the end.
And we would want everyone to call her just Cleo. Our first daughter also only gets called by her first name, Liana. We rarely call her Liana Emilia. So I suppose using Alyssa wouldn't be an issue if they just called her Cleo all the time... I'm not sure which one I like better, though. We've tried saying them out loud a few times, but we like them both equally
Thank you all for the comments and suggestions! I wanted to reply a long time ago already, but my 10 month old baby kept me busy :)
I didn't even see the theme between Ivy and Liana up until it was mentioned on here haha! I don't mind if names have a subtle matchy feeling... I wouldn't think that most people would get the "botanical" theme behind it...at least I didn't haha
Anyway, even though I still like Ivy a lot (and having done the "test" that was suggested on here I think it would actually work), I fell more and more in love with Cleo, so I think that's what we are settling for as of right now. I really like Clementine nn Cleo, but OH wants just Cleo and that's fine by me. It's true that in Brazil people would pronounce it more like "klay-o" whereas english-speaking people will probably say "klee-o". I do love both ways though, I couldnt even say which one I like more, so I'd be fine if she went by klee-o in the UK/US and klay-o in Brazil. Just have to choose for myself which one I'll be using :P OH wants to spell it "Cléo" with an accent, which is the portuguese spelling.. however i guess that would implicate it's prounced klay-o and not klee-o, or am I mistaken?
Now we are taking it a step further and are looking for middle names that would go with Cleo. As mentioned in another thread (and even in this one too I think) we were thinking about naming our baby after one of my closest friends, Alice. I really like Cleo Alice and it would definitely work easily in Brazil AND english speaking countries. We were also considering to change Alice into a similar sounding name to honour my friend (as suggested in the other thread) and we LOVE Alyssa! I think it could work in Brazil, however it doesn't work AS WELL as Cleo Alice, because the name Alyssa doesn't exist in Brazil unlike Alice. But I slightly prefer Alyssa over Alice, even if Cleo Alice would work better in Brazil ( in the end i'm probably thinking way too much about it anyway as we'll call baby by his/her first name most of the time anyway!)
Also we are not sure if we would want to use Cleo as a name in itself or nn. However we dont like the obvious choices Cleopatra, Cleora and Cleola. What else could it be short for? And would you use it as a nn or just Cleo?
I'm Brazilian, but my name is Emmalynn (nn Emma, no one calls me Emmalynn) and I've lived in the UK, US and Brazil. In the UK/US I pronounce my name the way you'd probably pronounce it. When I'm in Brazil I unintentionally pronounce it the way Brazilians do, which sounds more like Ehhh-ma (in Portuguese they stress the "E" in Emma so it sounds more like ehhhmma).
we're also having a similar discussion at home, because we want to give our baby an English name and this name doesnt exist in Portuguese...so that makes it more difficult, because people may turn the name into a name that doesnt exist. Pretty much like Emma, but there's not much that can go wrong with Emma, except it sounds a bit funny when they stress the "E". As the name we've chosen for our baby if it is a girl may get messed up we're thinking about giving her a middle name that family and friends in Brazil can use, while she (or he) would go by her English name in english speaking countries.
So I think if the name you chose even exists in both languages it wont be a problem at all. Your child will learn quickly how to pronounce his name in different languages and will know when to use which pronounciation.
OH also suggested Ivy Mirabella/e instead of Ivy Isabella, which I like too! What do you think?
I agree with you that it doesn't need to be with the name of my child. That's why I said it's not really a "must", we were just considering it :) We do love the name Alice, though I prefer the English or French pronounciation to the Portuguese one (ah-LEES-ee), so I would like an Ivy Alice. However there are many other names I love as well, it's a difficult decision. Ivy Juliet and Ivy Beatrice really strike me as well.
My friend would never expect it and we haven't told her yet, that we are thinking about naming the baby after her if it's a girl. She knows we want to name her Ivy, but we haven't said anything about middle names yet. I don't think she'd ever even suspect we could be honouring her in our baby's name, so I think it'd be a surprise for her.
I do like the idea of using a name that's similar to Alice, so we can honour her without actually using the same name. I LOVE Alyssa, and I think Ivy Alyssa sounds lovely and would be a great way to "indirectly" honour my friend.
Thanks everyone for all the comments and suggestions!
Alice is indeed an honour name, however it is a bit different. Unlike most honour names it isn't really a family name, but instead I would be honering my best friend, who has been by my side for as long as I can remember and she actually saved my little brother's life! We couldn't thank her enough for what she has done for my family, because without her he wouldn't be here anymore. So that's why we were thinking about honouring her in our baby's name, it is not a must, though.
I think my top three as of right now are Ivy Alice, Ivy Beatrice and Ivy Juliet.
I have to say I LOVE Ivy Juliet! Julia/Giulia etc names make the exception as we really do like them - I never thought of Ivy Juliet though! It's a lovely combination IMO, thanks for the suggestion! Will present it to OH tonight :)
Actually Liana is my first daughter's name, so Sienna was the one we were intending to use for this baby (if it's a girl). So we were thinking Alice Sienna or Sienna Alice, but as I'd prefer Alice over Sienna as a first name (and I agree, I think Sienna and Liana may be too matchy) I think we'd prefer Alice Sienna...
However I think we do really prefer Ivy or Phoebe. It's interesting you've mentioned transitions into different languages.. I've always just thought people would mispronounce it, but didn't think about HOW they'd pronounce them. With Phoebe it would probably be something like "pho-ae-bee", but if we told them it's pronounced "ee" and not "oae" in the middle it might work... Ivy I guess they'd pronounce like the name Evie - which is another name I love so I personally wouldn't mind her being called Evie! The only thing may be that she would have to spell her name, but as we probably won't be living there anyway, it won't be that often... If anything I still like the option of using her middle name Alice / Sienna in Brazil. I think due to pronounciation issues I would then prefer Ivy over Phoebe (I like Ivy mispronounced as Evie, whereas I think Pho-ae-bee sounds horrendous)
Do you think Ivy Alice works? Or does it not flow well? IMO Ivy Sienna flows better than Ivy Alice, but Alice is an honour name so we'd prefer using Alice over Sienna as a middle name
Sorry for the confusion, I meant Alice as a first and Sienna as a middle name :) So I guess you're right, we wouldnt have to worry about it too much as we'd probably call her just Alice most of the time. We almost never call our first by her first and middle name...
I also like the suggestion of turning the names around. Sienna Alice sounds lovely to me, though Liana and Sienna is quite similar from the sound and if we were to have a third baby sometime in the future. i think i'd feel as if i had to stick to the 'na' ending.. or am i giving it too much thought?
aside from that name - do you think it'd be a problem if we gave our baby a name that in our home countries people may struggle a bit to pronounce or spell? We've lived in the UK for a while, now during my pregnancy we are back home in Brazil with our families, but we want to move to the UK permanently once the baby is here. So our daughters would grow up in the UK, but of course we'll be travelling back to Brazil a lot. I think we could somehow explain our baby's name to them so they'd pronounce and spell it right, but I'm afraid he/she might have some trouble in general when telling people in brazil her name and she may have to end up spelling it a lot, which on the other hand will only be occasionally and not on a daily basis as we'll be living in the UK. Do you think we could get away with and Ivy or Phoebe or should we stick to the more universal name Alice, which is common in both countries/ languages?
I went to school with a Fernanda Fernandes, which was always pretty odd to me... she had a second surname, which is common in my home country Brazil, but we usually go by one of the surnames and she went by Fernandes...
What a fun game! I already have a daughter, so obviously I'll put her first (her name is your username btw! :P) . I'm expecting my second and I have a strong feeling it's another girl, so I'll go with that :)
1. Liana Emilia
2. Alice Phoebe
3. Wyatt Dexter and Jackson Riley (twins)
4. Violet Amelia and Ivy Sienna (twins)
and if that's not enough then I'd like to have another set of b/g twins
Madison Charlotte (nn Maddie) and Zane Henry
I kept initials as well as hyphens :)
1) Jace Jamal
3) Joelle Milena
5) Joline Marielle
6) Jeannine Laney
7) Juliet Natalie
8) Jude Graham
9) Jonah Mason
11) Jace Reuben
12) Jayden Reuben
13) Jenson Marcus
14) Jamal Alexander
15) Jacob Stephen
16) Jared Lucas
17) Jocelyn Fiona
18) Jaynie Diana
19) Jaelyn-Gwen Melody
20) Janelle Beatrice
21) Janiah Savannah
They're all lovely names and you can't do anything wrong with any of them :)
I personally don't looove Daphne as much as the others, but if you love it you should go with it! Other than that I think all your names are gorgeous. My name is Emma and I quite like it, however it is pretty popular atm.My absolute favourite from your list is Clara Jane - I especially love it with Jane as a middle name! My daughter was almost going to be a Clara and now that I'm expecting my second Clara is on the list again if it's a girl. It's classic, simple and timeless!
My second favourite would be Eloise Jane or Eliza Jane, but as you said you're more drawn to Eloise and Daphne, so maybe you should go with Eloise Daphne (my preference) or Daphne Eloise as you'd have both names you're drawn to the most. Is this baby going to be your last? If not maybe you want to "save" one of them for a future baby :)
As everybody else said - the choice is yours and you should listen to your heart and choose the name YOU love the most no matter what other people may prefer :) Just look at her and try to call her by any of these names and see if she "feels" like an Eloise or Daphne (or any of the other names). This may sound weird but somtimes you can just feel it! A close friend of mine had twins and she had the names Violet and Matilda picked out for her girlies, but then when they were born she said her daughter didn't "feel like a Matilda, she felt like a Myla" so they changed their mind last minute :)
Good luck and don't let anyone pressure you! Go with what your heart tells you
If I were to go with the alphabet I'd choose:
Amelia, Beatrice, Charlotte, Diane, Emilia, Faye, Gwendolyn, Helena, Iris, Jillian, Katherine, Liana
Zola, Yara, Xenia, Willow, Violet, Uliana, Tamara, Sienna, Rachelle, Quinn, Phoebe, Olive
flower / colour theme:
Poppy, Rose, Violet, Sienna, Blue, Lilac, Ivy, Lily, Ruby, Magnolia, Iris, Daisy
Disney princess theme:
Belle, Jasmine, Melody, Alice, Ariel, Tiana, Merida, Elsa, Aurora, Snow (White), Cinderella, Anna
Prudence (Charmed), Rachel (Friends), Elena (Vampire Diaries), Amanda (Revenge), Meredith (Grey's Anatomy), Robin (HIMYM), Serena (Gossip Girl), Gabrielle (Desperate Housewives), Katherine (LOST), Skyler (Breaking Bad), Rita (Dexter), Arya (Game of Thrones)
Names ending in "ie":
Rosalie, Julie, Amelie, Katie, Natalie, Sadie, Georgie, Annie, Sophie, Gracie, Callie
Laísa, Emanuela, Aline, Eduarda, Camila, Heloisa, Inaiá, Luana, Mariana, Isadora, Lorena, Maitê
Charlotte Ruth, Katherine Agnes, Caroline Edith, Beatrice Diana, Eleanor Jane, Alice Leonora, Hannah Adele, Elizabeth Rose, Mary Victoria, Violet Grace, Clara Anne, Florence Helen
Unisex/Boyish for a little "twist":
James, Blake, Blair, Kyle, Riley, Marley, Bailey, Emerson, Jordan, Casey, Avery, Harper
Haha that's true! Didn't even think about that :P My original idea was Joanne, Stephenie and Clive (C.S. Lewis, author of the Narnia books), but I wanted an all-girls triplet haha Probably should have sticked with Clive :)