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I would like to second the nomination for "Drumpf." From my American perspective, the story of the shocking presidential election has been THE story this year. The way that a comedian tried to stop his candidacy by changing his name reminds us all how powerful names can be. The idea caught on quite quickly as well, which again shows the power of a name. I think the name "Drumpf" will be a permenant part of our conversation going forward as well.
As a redhead who loves the name scarlett, I've had a similar dilemma. I've never been teased for my hair color, but my hair has always been a huge part of my identity. It's the first thing people comment on when they meet me, and I know when I was young especially it was what I was known for and I kind of wished people would notice you know, ME more. So I think a name like Scarlett would have just added to that. I wouldn't use it on a little redhead. (I'm making my hair sound like some kind of disfiguration or something. For the record I LOVE my hair color.)
The good news is that redheads don't typically change their hair color after they are born. If your child is born redheaded, she will stay redheaded, and if her hair isn't red, it won't be later in life. So you can feel safe using the name if her hair is not red at birth. And it really is a beautiful name.
We have a baby now, and we settled on Theodore for him and we will try to call him Theo. Our closest runner up was Alexander. I was pleasantly surprised that my husband was okay with either of those names, and I would have been happy either way.
So my husband went through and made fun of every name in the baby naming book and starred a few that he would tolerate. Out of those I have pulled a few that I don't hate, so now we have a list. This baby should be here tonight or tomorrow, I'd love some input on this list with our set or overall:
Alexander, Calvin*, Cecil, Felix*, Gilbert*, Isaac, Jack*, John, Julian*, Locke, Magnus, Malcolm, Phineas*, Reuben, Roger, Theodore* and Victor.
Those marked with stars are names that he doesn't like very much for whatever reason.
Ha ha ha, we never pre-name our kids, so that's exactly what we are trying to do! So far names that neither of us have hard-vetoed are Nicholas (which my husband says he is very unlikely to approve), Leonidas (which I don't think we have the nerve for), and Gwydion (which I REALLY don't think we have the nerve for). We've gone in with a list of out-there names before and just totally ignored them when there was a real-live baby in question.
So yes, that is exactly my goal here: a list of names we don't hate BEFORE the baby comes, which could be any day now. That doesn't souond so hard, does it?
Ivy and Peter we both loved well before they were born. Arthur was on our list and it was pretty much the only name on our list that wasn't too out there when he was born. Peter was on our list too, but it just really didn't fit. Molly was a different case altogether. We had a list of names we loved, but we usually don't pick until after the baby is born. And when she was born she looked like a Molly even though we had never even discussed that name. So no, we did NOT love that name before she was born. I'm REALLY hoping something like that will happen again with this one.
My husband is all about the associations with names. He likes Alvin because of the Alvin maker series. He likes Malcolm and Simon from characters in Firefly. He likes the apostle and king associations with Peter and Arthur.
My criteria is more about sound. Names have to work well with our last name for me (Malcolm and Simon sound TERRIBLE with it) and I like names that have a timeless quality to them. I want names to have a certain level of rarity as well, since I grew up with a common full name and hated it.
We're not too picky at all, are we?
Drat and blast, I haven't seen that movie. I have a vaugue idea of who Leonidas was historically, but I'll admit my grounding in classical history is extremely weak. I certainly don't want to name my precious little boy after the lead in a super-violent R-rated movie. Furthermore, this is probably going to be a kid without a lot of machismo. We have a lot of short and skinny genes in the family, so chances are he's not going to be a big, beefy dude who can wear a name like that well.
Thanks for the information. This is very much why I ask. I doubt a lot of people here have seen 300 either, but still, I'd rather not have the association.
Thanks. Your remarks have made me like it better. I'm just not sure it passes our supreme court justice test. it might be too weird to be taken seriously. And I'm not sure I LOVE Leo either.
What do the rest of you think of Leonidas? Are you very politely not saying anything at all because you don't have anything nice to say?
Any other suggestions?
I like Oliver okay, and my husband does too, which normally would be HUGE, but it just seems to be getting too popular. It is going up in the charts, even more so locally, and I suspect it will be a top ten name within the next few years. Our last name is common enough that we have to be pretty careful about such things. I really don't want my kid to be the other Oliver N. . . . in his high school or whatever.
I like the suggestion of Leo too. We have discussed it at length, and it's another one that we are just not sure we have the nerves for. If we went with Leo, we would name him Leonidas and just call him Leo. There's also a Leonard in the family somewhere, but I'm not a huge fan of that name. And Leonidas might be too out there for us. But we both kind of like it, in theory.
You've got a smart boy there. I like the idea of a little Quentin. My biggest concern with Gwydion right now is BECAUSE Gideon is so normal around here, a poor little Gwydion would just spend his life correcting people that hear Gideon when he introduces himself. So people might just think that we are people who tried to use Gideon, but are very bad spellers indeed.
Let's assume that these are completely different children though and remove all the parental baggage. THEN what would you name the unnamed boy?
Sigh, I agree. That's a good name. It fits well and it isn't overused. Oh well.
Oh man, if I thought people would believe me I would tell them we were naming the baby Wenceslas, nicknamed wench, of course.
So I'm afraid you collective comments, which were mostly positive, have managed to talk me out of the name Nicholas. You are right. It's just so ordinary. Peter is ordinary too, which is one of the reasons I like it, but it manages to be special and unique (especially around here, he's almost four and he has yet to meet another little person with the same name as him) at the same time. I'm particularly sensitive about mismatched sibling names, because I always felt like I got hosed with my name when I was a kid. I have two older sisters that have lovely extraordinary names, and I am named Erika, which is NOT special. So I really don't want to give boy #3 something boring after doing better by my other two. But seriously, there IS nothing better. Our theme will have to be "the only three boy names one of us didn't completely refuse to use," which isn't a bad theme, really.
Okay, new question. If for some reason you were adopting five kids named Ivy, Arthur, Peter and Molly and an unnamed boy, what would YOU name the boy?
So wh at do you all think of the name Nicholas for our set? He would likely go by Nick. It has been our front-runner all along, even though neither of us love it and we're both hoping to come up with something better. We never name our children until after they are born anyway so we like to go in with a list, but I wanted to run this one past you all because I really respect your opinions on naming matters.
1. Does it sound okay with our last name? It begins and ends in an N, so it has just a touch of cheesy alliteration.
2. Does it go with the other names? Or is it too ordinary for our set?
3. This baby will likely be born within a week of Christmas, which is why we thought of the name in the first place. Does that make it cheesy or awesome?
In our discussions last night we managed to distill our problem pretty well. We don't want anything popular, weird or boring. . .which is pretty much everything one way or another. It reminds me of that scene in the movie Say Anything where John Cusack's character is saying he doesn't want to work with anything that is bought or sold or processed. Sigh.
I'm actually okay with Harold myself. I like that it's totally old-fashioned and I think Harry is a cute little nickname that goes well with the set. I'm pretty sure my husbend is not so sold on the name though.
I doubt my husband would go for Edmund anyway, but yeah, the whole little misbehaving brother thing would be a bit much. I don't mind other storybook combinations, we have Peter and Molly from Peter and the Starcatchers and Harry Potter fans might note that we have an Arthur and Molly who go together a bit too well if one is a familiar with the Weasley family, but those associations don't bother me. Peter and Edmund though, not so much.
Thank you for understanding. It was difficult for me to explain why that would make a difference, because it should be all bonus, right?
And yes, actually, there is a very prominent Lemuel in the Book of Mormon, but he is a bad guy, which makes the name essentially untouchable. The Book of Mormon is much like the Old Testament in that it has a number of stories about ancient righteous men and women and prophets, and Lemuel is a wicked older brother to one of the stand-out prophets in the book. So such a name would sound like Cain or Herod to Mormon ears.
Your list is very, very good I think. You've got a very good handle on our collective tastes. Heck, you even listed Harold, which is what my daughter wants to name the baby and what we've been using as a placeholder for months. I'll be sure to run it past my husband for his veto. I've been campaigning hard for Phineas lately, which my husband is holding strong against. It's probably for the best, sinch both red hair and shortness run in the family, but I still like it. It evokes a time long past of strange beards and high collars and finn is a fine nickname.
Yes, my kids do have middle names. They are Dwight, Andrew, Louisa and Lynne. We essentially use the middle slot as our dumping ground for family names that we wouldn't lead with for various reasons. This one will most likely have the middle name Marvin, despite the fact that the honoree in this case hates his own name so much he told us not to use it. We don't worry too much about flow or things like that with middle names though. We figure people use their full names very rarely, so we prefer to use the middle name as an honor slot and just choose a first name that we love regardless of how it 'goes' with the middle name.
I like Edward quite a bit, but it is a name that we've been through pretty completely. It's even a family name. My husband doesn't really like it though, and people have threatened to call him Ned if we name him Edward, and Ned with our last name is all kinds of painful. I don't know that I'd be able to prevent that from happening, so it's best not to leave that door open.
I really like this suggestion, and we've actually discussed it at length. As it happens, we are Mormons (okay, members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, I'll cite my religion properly if cumbersomely) and there is a character named Gideon who I've long admired in the Book of Mormon. I realize there's one in the Bible too, but he's never been as much of a standout for me. This changes the name Gideon within our culture quite a bit though. Yes, there is another namesake that is very good, but it also makes it quite a bit more common in the area and gives it kind of a religious sheen. I'm not opposed to religious names, we love telling Peter about Jesus' friend that shares a name with him, but plucking a name from the pages of the Book of Mormon is different somehow.
So, long story short, that's a fairly inspired suggestion, but Gideon is a much more loaded name for us than it is for most.