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Thanks, Miriam - yes! I'd suspected so, but couldn't come up with the reference. I knew at one point that all 3 of our girl's names were LNs (unintentionally - just a happy coincidence).
I'm always so amazed by the breadth of your knowledge!
All the best,
You're absolutely correct MKS, IMHO. I'm still struck by this.
I once wrote a very-well received thesis on Amelia Earhart and her success - why her success, to many, was less threatening than another female-firsts. My position was that she adjusted herself to be more manly - she was, in many ways, like them, rather than different from them, so she blended in well. Historically, this is often the came with immigrants - dropping the 'O' if you were Irish, the '-sky' if you were Polish and so on.
I hadn't known Pres. Obama's mother's name was Stanley. Interesting. My grandmother also hated her given name 'Halley' after the comet. As an adult, she always used her MN and bristled when her first was used, even in the mail.
Thanks - this is most helpful and thought-provoking.
Thanks, Lucubratrix. Your thinking / justification is what led me to precisely this question.
DH refuses to acknowledge the 'history' of the names we've used - doesn't see them as male at all. But, Stanley very much is, so I would be hard-pressed to have this conversation. Still, I find it an interesting choice and think it could trend slowly because of the 'ley' ending and last-name as FN trend.
Good to know I'm not completely crazy - just that the 'up hill' nature is an absolute.
Thanks, Everyone. This has been fantastically helpful. I agree. I think it's a complete reach and I wouldn't ever want to appear that I'd wanted a boy instead of another girl, should we be blessed enough to have another baby.
I just didn't know if, since, Stanley is so uncommon a name now and because it's also a last name, if it could make the transition. Avery and Cassidy also are last names; Sydney I'm not sure about.
I'm a little surprised that most feel that Avery and Cassidy are solidly in the 'girl' camp these days. My oldest daughter has 2 boys in K-class with her name and I know 2 other people who've named boys "Cass" this past year. Still, I'm gratified to hear that maybe when they are professionals, it will be assumed that they are women, rather than men. My FN is Traci. Spelling aside, I went to school with a handful of girl Tracy's and 2 male Traceys. Even now, I work with a male Stacey.
As always, I sincerely thank you for your thoughtfulness, honesty and, of course, responses.
All the best,t-
it's long, but I don't think it's too frilly. People may have trouble spelling it. I like it though and could easily see 'Ell-e' being a nickname in a professional setting.
May play with spellings in a Word doc, etc. and see what happens for auto-correct, etc. A friend of mine is named Aline and she is frequently referred to as 'Alien.' :(
I, too, like the suggestion of Maxford. And, although I know it's not 'made up,' on this one perception is reality. I had the same discussion with DH on names like Finley. If it feels like a reach, it's unlikely she'll warm up to it, but other derivations, slightly off-trend, even if made up, could peak her interests.
Personally not a huge fan of Arch. i also second the warning of name confusion. My 3 girls are constantly called by someone else's name, although a portion of that is likely due to the speediness that's required to intervene. :)
Instead of Archer, what about Archibald? Have a friend who used that name recently and Archie is a great baby. Liam might also go very well in you sib set. what do you think of Ryder, Greyson, Louis?
I'm in complete agreement with you and I have 3 girls who one might argue have unisex names - Avery, Sydney and Cassidy.
I know a little boy - Aria. It's still a shock to me, but that name is all male to me now. What about Aria and Avery?
Best of luck. This, I'm sure, is an emotionally charged topic.
Hmm....nmes that come to mind for you are
Congratulations and best wishes!
I like Wyatt James quite a bit and think it goes nicely with Hallie. My all-time favorite 'cowboy-inspired' name is Garrett, which goes great James as a middle and has the added bonus of the double-letter like Hallie.
Congratulations and best of luck!
I like Forest and think it's useable, unless you tend towards NNs. I'm assuming you're not opposed to alliteration with the F-F combo? If so, you could flip the order - that also would be nice and has te option of mnay different NNs.
Of your listed names, I probably like Everett the best as a FN. Everett Thomas Guy F--- or Everett Paul or even Everett Daniel Paul.
Personally, and althpugh I like the name Vivian a great deal, I wouldn't pair with Avery. They can sound quite similar, especially when shortened. My ~6 YO gets called "Ave" a lot and with "Viv" could cause some confusion. I'd have similar thoughts about Audrey.
We have 3 girls. Our oldest is Avery Clare, then we added Sydney Cate and Cassidy Rose. Our origins are fairly similar - DH is Scottish & Polish. i'm Englsh, French & German.
I thinks either of our other 2 girls names would work. I particularly like Sydney Jo(Anne) as a F/M-combo like a NN.
For me, your names are very unique and cool, but not necessarily themed, which is great!
Can you give us some ideas of names that you considered strongly but didn't use or styles that you strongly dislike? Are you opposed to re-using the same first letter as your other 3? Prefer not to have alliiteration with your last name (e.g., John Jacobs)?
I had a couple of ideas, but I'm not sure that they fit your style:
Juneu (June-O: boy or girl),
Hilton (either, but probably boy),
Marlow (I think I like this one with your sib set the best)
Yes - I know several who changed themes with the 4th child. I'm okay with it, too, it's more important to appreciate the name than to force a brand new baby into a 'box' that one doesn't love.
Thanks, Laura! I love the idea of Waverly! And greatly appreciate all the additional research.
I'm sure it's cliche but the concept of flexibility and strong root systems within the (potential / likely) meaning also is quite appealing. :)
Thanks, Ladies! Greatly appreciate your very thoughtful and thorough suggestions! I've still a lot of work to do - foremost to convince DH that it'd be fine to have another and that we're not too old to do so. :) At least now, I have some hope that we can find a name that fits without the possibility of making a child feel like an outlier, nor am I 'forced' to use Lindsey or Whitney.
Stylistically, Bailey works, but I know too many people who've used that as a pet name. Reilly is similarly popular, but still popping up on children, so I wouldn't rule it out.
DH is Polish & Scottish. I am German, English and Native American. So far, we have 2 blond / blue girls with very fair skin and one (the middle, of course!!) with dark hair, eyes and skin. both the youngest, including Cassidy, has curly hair. :)
I'm going to keep reading, hoping to fall in love. It's a little difficult for me as my own naming conventions waiver between the southern surnames to the English/French tradition (Clara, Imogene, Corinne, etc.).
Thanks again! Best wishes to you all.
this was such a wonderful thread to read! I love all the names, but the support to find the record is nothing short of refreshing. Just one more reason that I love these boards.
Jaren / Jaron
I like both but for very different reasons.
Rousseau would be amazing, but I'd definitely wonder if there was a 'justification' for it. It's so dramatic and refreshing - quite dignified.
Lilianne is far more approachable, if you will. It feels very famliar as well.