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Well, the little man arrived! His name is Julian Tobiah T--
I know it breaks some of my self-imposed rules and criteria, but hubby and I agreed on it, and I think it is right for him. In any case, he's a little sweetie and as we learn to know him, the name will be molded by who he is. We call him Julian mostly (when not using a sibling's name!), but I think he can be Toby some day if that fits better than Jules.
Thanks again everyone who took time to give input on this.
I'm not sure if this is the best place to announce it, or if I should go over to the other thread.
You could try Edmund.
Jaxon seems like it might be your style.
Judson is very handsome and masculine and goes with Paul.
Jethro and Joash are two other possibilities
Hubby says Oakley is sunglasses. :(
He suggested Joseph, and nn JJ, which I like well enough, though I had been avoiding double initials. Joseph doesn't pass the popularity test, though, but I'd consider it timeless not trendy. It's a family name I'd be ok honoring. I thought of using Jose (Spanish, not sure how to get the accent mark on there; I'm not very techy) which would still be JJ but not sound like it, and more specifically honor one particular Joseph. Someone say whether you think this messes up the rhythm too much. Or if it changes the whole name to Spanish and is weird with a non-hispanic last name. (I want one name that translates easily, but Julian is fine on its own on that account!)
And on the JJ theme, I also like Joash. Comments?
I actually kind of like tree names Oak, Ash, Birch, but it sounds like he'd have to be a lathe worker for sure, with our last name. :)
I worry that Oakley and Ellis are used for girls, (obviously they're masculine to me) and Julian is already similar to a cluster of girl's names.
I like Oakley quite a bit, too. What do you think of initials JOT?
JET would be cool initials, but I haven't come up with a winning E name yet. I think Ellis isn't quite right, with its /l/ and /s/, and Ezra got vetoed long ago.
Thanks for your help sorting things out, btw. I know I can overthink it, but I want to cover everything. It would be bad to end up naming him Julian Key Turn.. for instance. ;)
Julian Peterson is also good, I think. Not a law firm to me. At least I don't think of Julian as a surname.
Two-syllable Front runners? Some I like:
Ezra--sounds girly to husband
Ellis---Converts to Ella St__ with last name
Jared-- Hubby says no, besides it's alliterative w/ Julian
Joash-- alliterative; probably unknown to non-Bible-readers, and to Bible readers, Joash was not an especially wonderful character
Quinlan--too similar-sounding to Julian
Sheldon-- ending /-en/, same as Julian
Chandler-- ends /-er/, no can do
Levi might be good, but it has negative associations for me, so it's definantly not on my list.
Maybe Marshall, Harley is ok, but I'm pretty far removed from the motorcycle types, and that's what it makes me think of. I had thought of Harvey, though. Seems similar to me, what do you think? And with this rhythm I like Oakley, but I guess the girls are taking it
What about Julian Peterson? (He really is) This has the 3-3-rhythm you mentioned.
I'll give Timothy another chance, because I kind of wanted a New Testament name, but there are other reasons I want to overlook it.
Barnabas (thinking NT names, now) runs into the T too much. What do you think of Barnaby?
Not too much of a mouthful? I keep thinking that Julian is already a longer name, but I'm leaning toward a 2-syllable middle, because I don't really like any of the short names. Does it work to have BAH-ba-ba BAH-ba BAH- ba? Maybe I just shouldn't care, since the others are 2-2-2.
Our last name end in -er, which is why I want to avoid a given name that also end in -er.
Shaking the family tree didn't yield any fruit I particularly like. I hadn't shaken the surname branches much, though. What do you think? (Some shortened to one syllable)
George, Ralph, Lee, Steve, Joe, Earl, Bruce, Frank, Mike, Chris, John, Clark, Pete, Ed, Veach, Rob, Beck, Wayne
The more I think about it, the more I realize I mostly don't like one-syllable names. Can someone say what is the best rhythm and flow as far as syllables? Our other children have 2-2-2 syllables, but Julian has 3, so I figured a one-syllable middle name would work best. Actually Julian will likely get contracted to 2 by some users (as Jool-yun)
So I'm not the only one who thought of food?
My second thought was what relatives named their baby girl: Chesney pronounced chez nee. A little close to chestnut, but she was a very cute and sweet baby.
My third thought is that it sounds like a made up mix up between Jessie and Leslie or something with a twang thrown in.
It's a little far out for my taste, but depending on where you live, it might work.
I'd like to suggest Kelvin. I like it much better than Calvin--which, I will add, there is nothing wrong with, and it goes ok with your other boys and James.
Personally, I'd probably use Caroline before Elizabeth, but either is a fine name. My Grandma's middle name was Caroline, and she was named for her grandmother. I know one other dear person with this name. It is not the same as Carolyn to me, always pronounced to rhyme with wine. (I think both would become Carolina [Cah doe leen uh] in Spanish.) I know a whole handful of Elizabeths, with about as many nicknames, and it seems overly used. However, it seems maybe a little more classic to me, and not going out of fashion, while Caroline seems a tad more old-fashioned and more formal or aristocratic. As to nicknames, Elizabeth is definately more versatile, and maybe this is why it seems less sofisticated to me, but Carrie, Cal, Caro(l) could work for Caroline.
Calandra is another songbird name, in this case Greek for lark, I believe.
I think she would get that question more than average, "Were you born at Christmas?" If you're ok dealing with that, then I don't see a problem with it.
The spelling Phebe (I know one) would take care of the problem.
I'm so happy to hear someone else wants different-sounding sibling names. I do, but ended up with some similarities anyway. And currently choosing names for #4 is being a challenge, because I Like certain sounds/ letters best and then names end up alike. I'd be glad to read any more comments on this subject.
What about Laurel? It's spelled the same in Spanish, and is the name of a bush in Mexico and a tree other places. It isn't a name in Latin America. It may not be unique enough for her or long enough for him, but I think it's a good English/ Spanish crossover, and it can have any number of nicknames. Lala, Lolly, Laurie, etc
If you're in a setting where most people think of the Bliblical connotations, I think it would work fine, as a middle name, probably. The first thing I thought of was that it sounds like "ran some" as in, We walked for awhile and then we ran some. And as a first name, it would sound like a command to Ransom Abel or whoever he was.
I realize you already announced a choice, so there was no point to me sharing my opinion except that.
As to Maverick, the other night the boys were being wild and I told DH that we could just name the next one Maverick...